Question on Islam -- round 4

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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…Lady, your PROPHET called that rock his Allah! …
Your Allah Stone …

Catholic , calm down & don’t write lies anymore , please. It’s not giving your religion a very good name .

Stone is not Allah & no Muslim thinks stone itself has any power. All power belongs to our Lord only.

And of mankind are some who take (for worship) others besides Allah as rivals (to Allah). They love them as they love Allah. But those who believe, love Allah more (than anything else). If only, those who do wrong could see, when they will see the torment, that all power belongs to Allah and that Allah is Severe in punishment.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #165)

 

[Lothair]

Are you trying to be as offensive as possible? Or does it happen by accident? Allah isn’t a word that can be made feminine, and Al-lat is a completely different word altogether

Keep repeating this mantra a few more times. Maybe then I’ll get it.

Hanifa poets? I bet your next claim is that there’s a qur’an before Muhammad, too

Yes, hanif poets were a few of the sources your prophet lifted his ‘revelations’ from.

Allah is not a pagan god, and I request that you discontinue saying so. I worship the Creator of the heavens and the earth. Do you?

Allah is a pagan god, and I request that you admit it to be so. Rocks cannot create anything, as the Scripture tells us. Quit pretending that ***you ***are the one being insulted here.

 

[Jay53]

No, I’m not saying the Lord of the Worlds, God Almighty ever changed his name. Do you want me to say that, or something?

I apparently don’t understand what you are saying at all. You just said that Allah told us his name is Allah in the Quran. But, clearly in Exodus that was not His name and He told us His name is forever. So, exactly what ARE you saying? That Exodus was corrupted, Moses lied, God changed His name or what? I’m sorry, but I’m not following you at all.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Abraham was never in Mecca and had nothing to do with building the pagan Kaaba. It cannot be found anywhere in the patriarchal journeys [Gen 12-50]. Muhammad made it up to give some monotheistic cover to a pagan shrine.

It’s so tough to prove that someone made something up. Just because the story doesn’t appear in Genesis doesn’t prove much of anything to you. To me, it proves more, suggests even greater likelihood in the truth of the story.

You really need to think before you post. According to your analysis of the verse, Abraham was in Mecca and shared the name of Allah with the locals, but did not teach them what was right and what was wrong. Or, it was Allah himself who later intentionally lead them astray?. After all, they then went astray. Again I’ll advise you think it through before you post. You make God and Abraham both look like fools or just mean. It seems that your Allah spends a lot of time veiling hearts [6:25] and leading folks astray [2:6,7]. How could the Meccans understand a message that Allah has blocked them from hearing [18:57].

I do think before I post. Maybe you should think before you do. Abraham was in Mecca, there were no locals. First of all. The Arabs came after Ishmael and Hajar were left there. But throughout history, the Arabs were sent 4 prophets. Hud, Salih, Shu’ayb, and Muhammad who was sent as a prophet to all of mankind.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Amy, you haven’t answered anything. The Jews never called the God of Israel ‘Allah’, and if they had, a Prophet would have been annointed by God to put an end to such a charade. Your reliance on sound alike words from closely related languages is sophmoric. To use similar cognates in language to transform your pagan god into God is blasphemy.

Arabic and Hebrew are both Semitic languages. Drawing parallels is far from sophomoric.

Then tell me, why on earth would Allah send Abraham all the way from his tents and herds and wells in Canaan to the desolate wilderness in the Hijaz?! The story you have cited is just fiction to give cover to a pagan shrine.

To leave Ishmael and Hajar there, that’s why.

Lady, your PROPHET called that rock his Allah! His family had been worshipping rocks for centuries! Until he was 40 years old he sacrificed animals to stacks of rocks in the Kaaba.

Muhammad never called a rock Allah, he never worshiped a rock, and he never sacrificed animals to rocks.

Your Allah Stone has no power to help or hurt anyone, I agree. But, that doesn’t change the fact that Allah was just another stone god in the Hijaz, whose idol was placed next to the graven image of Hu’Baal.

I worship the Creator of the heavens and the earth. Do you?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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…I was Muslim and then reject Islam and became atheist and then finally became Christian.So Am I a kafir?..

If u worship Jesus ( pbuh) as God , then I think , ans is yes.

Surely, in disbelief are they who say that Allah is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary). Say (O Muhammad SAW): “Who then has the least power against Allah, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), his mother, and all those who are on the earth together?”…

( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)

 

[Sister_Amy]

Yes, hanif poets were a few of the sources your prophet lifted his ‘revelations’ from.

How come you say he could do that for 23 years and nobody noticed? (ps–link is dead.)

Allah is a pagan god, and I request that you admit it to be so. Rocks cannot create anything, as the Scripture tells us. Quit pretending that ***you ***are the one being insulted here.

Allah is the Creator of the heavens and the earth, God Almighty, whom I worship, and whom you are mocking.

So I’ll say again, I worship the Creator of the heavens and the earth. Do you?

 

[Sister_Amy]

I apparently don’t understand what you are saying at all. You just said that Allah told us his name is Allah in the Quran. But, clearly in Exodus that was not His name and He told us His name is forever. So, exactly what ARE you saying? That Exodus was corrupted, Moses lied, God changed His name or what? I’m sorry, but I’m not following you at all.

Well probably to the first one, not possible for the second one, and the third doesn’t make any sense.

Allah has many names, attributes also. 59:24 He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

 

[Lothair]

If God commanded it, wouldn’t you think so?

Not if it was a pagan god from the Hijaz, all dressed up like an angel, claiming to be delivering a message in wild conflict with the Bible

Beautiful. Although, Robert Spencer doesn’t count as a source on Islam, last I checked

Robert Spencer ***is ***an authority on Islam, and he quotes in that article several important statements from leading Islamic clerics. But, nice try.

Not all Jews. But those, for a particular reason. I wonder if you know why? You’d probably laugh, unless you take God’s Laws seriously.

I take God’s Law ***very ***seriously, which is why I must continue to remind you that Allah is a pagan god. Also, all Jews are to eventually be killed, and the human race evicted from life or forced with violence to worship your pagan god. The irony is, it all fits in perfectly with Christian end times prophesy.

Yawn. Jihad means struggle, and it doesn’t always mean with weapons. It can mean fighting, but doesn’t have to. Please read my post if you wish to make comments on the subject

Your prophet didn’t think it was merely a spiritual struggle. He wanted men on horseback, fighting in the cause of Allah. So, yeah, yawn.

I’m not a Mormon, have never been a Mormon, so please stop mentioning Mormons. You’re likely to confuse other readers.

Your book has no more authority derived from God than that found in the Book of Mormon, so yes, you are essentially a Mormon.

And you didn’t answer my question at all. You called the Qur’an a “comfortable copy-cat.” Why did you call it that if you don’t know anything about it?

I know far more about your book than any Islamic apologist I have yet met. Why is the Quran a comfortable copy-cat? Sure. It makes claims wihtout authority, and that is exactly what makes it exciting. You get to worship ‘one god’ without the complicaitons of deep thinking. Satan’s two greatest tools are atheism and monotheism devoid of Biblical authenticity.

What about it is so comfortable? You make it sound like it’s nothing but war war war all the time (which it’s not,) and if that’s your impression then I’d like to know why you think I found it ‘comfortable’.

I don’t know, maybe you are so obsessed with killing Jews that ‘war, war, war’ sounds like a pleasant way to spend the weekend!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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for Sis Amy :

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woww sis , u have so much patience

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[Jay53]

Well probably to the first one, not possible for the second one, and the third doesn’t make any sense.

Allah has many names, attributes also. 59:24 He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory: and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.

So you are saying that God’s name is not I AM?

If Exodus was corrupted, when, by whom and for what purpose?

 

[Jay53]

A judge who examined all circumstances in the case.

In what circumstances would a judge be called in to determine this?

 

[Jay53]

for Sis Amy :

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woww sis , u have so much patience

I agree!!

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

… maybe you are so obsessed with killing Jews…

Islam Denounces Terrorism

In 1492, the Jews who refused to convert were exiled from Spain by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella … The Jews were accepted by the Ottoman Empire, a haven of Islamic justice and tolerance.

Thomas Arnold, a British missionary employed in the service of the Indian government, describes that Islam favours freedom in these words:

But of any organised attempt to force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion, we hear nothing.

Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made Protestantism penal in France, or the Jews were kept out of England for 350 years.

harunyahya.com/terrorism2.php

useful link:Exposing Myths on Islam

Educating the Sincere Jews

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/jewish-mythson-islam/

Does the Quran Hate People of the Book?

O People of the Book! Let us rally to a common formula to be binding on both us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God… (Aal `Imran 3:64)

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

In what circumstances would a judge be called in to determine this?

related links: Ethics of Qualified Muftis

• Online Muftis: Who Is Eligible?
• Could a Woman Be a Mufti?
• Should a Mufti Tell All Different Views?
• Ethics of Giving Sincere Advice

Allah Almighty knows best.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1237705610786&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

 

[Lothair]

Arabic and Hebrew are both Semitic languages. Drawing parallels is far from sophomoric

You have been listening too much to unlearned sources. Latin and English too are closely related, but in Latin the word for pen is ‘penis’, which has a whole diffent meaning in English. I could place the lexicons of English, Spanish and Latin side by side and see many similar words that had ***totally ***different meanings. I’ll give you another. In Spanish a ‘plumma’ is a pen, but in English a ‘plume’ is a set of feathers or a puff of smoke. Yet, they are spelled nearly the same. In Hebrew ‘Allah’ has never refered to God and forcing your theology out of Hebrew is, yes, sophmoric.

Also, Arabic is closer to Syriac that Hebrew, so you are missing an intermediary developmental step. The word ‘Quran’ isn’t even Arabic! Guess what, the word ‘surah’ is most likely of an unknown origin, or even Syriac. I could go on.

To leave Ishmael and Hajar there, that’s why

lol, and build a temple in the middle of the Hijaz with absolutely no one near it. Right.

Muhammad never called a rock Allah, he never worshiped a rock, and he never sacrificed animals to rocks.

You need to read the Sirat that discuss your prophet’s intellectual development. He ate meat sacrificed to idols until Zaid b. Amr talked him out of it.

I worship the Creator of the heavens and the earth. Do you?

No, you don’t. Yes, I do.

 

[CatholicKing08]

Is it true that Islam is supposed to dominate all other religions at the end of the world, and those who follow other religions will be killed if they don’t convert?

 

[planten]

Is it true that Islam is supposed to dominate all other religions at the end of the world, and those who follow other religions will be killed if they don’t convert?

Yes, that is true that Islam will dominate the world logically (Theologically, morally and spiritually) if there are any true muslims in the world. Otherwise, there will be doomsday (Qiyaamat).

and those who follow other religions will be killed if they don’t convert?

There will be no killing. Every one will keep on believing in their own religion and there will be no religious war from Islam side. There will be no killing. There will be no bloody Mahdi as some of the Shias and Sunnis are hoping for a bloody Mahdi who will come and kill all unbelievers and that he will not even accept any repentence. He will not even accept conversion to Islam.

It is wrongly believed by some Sunni and Shia sects of Islam that a Bloody Mahdi will come near the end of times who will be helped by the old old Jesus (son of Mary) to kill the anti-christ (Dajjal). That is all false belief, again only being in some Hadith, not in the Quran at all.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Not if it was a pagan god from the Hijaz, all dressed up like an angel, claiming to be delivering a message in wild conflict with the Bible

gods dress up like angels now?

Robert Spencer ***is ***an authority on Islam, and he quotes in that article several important statements from leading Islamic clerics. But, nice try.

He quotes a random shaykh from Saudia, with whom I have no quarrel, and then he quotes some random Iranian anti-Semite, who I do have a problem with. Islamic sources don’t exist for 14 centuries to be contradicted by random people. And on top of that problem, Robert Spencer is not an authority on Islam.

I take God’s Law ***very ***seriously, which is why I must continue to remind you that Allah is a pagan god. Also, all Jews are to eventually be killed, and the human race evicted from life or forced with violence to worship your pagan god. The irony is, it all fits in perfectly with Christian end times prophesy.

First of all, Allah is the Creator of the heavens and the earth. He sent Moses and Aaron to rescue to children of Israel from Pharaoh, and then gave them His Law. The very first, very first commandment is to understand who Allah is. It was not a pagan idol that sent plagues on Egypt, or split the Red Sea. This paragraph is completely bogus and has nothing to do with Islam.

Your prophet didn’t think it was merely a spiritual struggle. He wanted men on horseback, fighting in the cause of Allah. So, yeah, yawn.

Merely a spiritual struggle? Nope. And I didn’t say merely a spiritual struggle, or only a spiritual struggle, or also a spiritual struggle, but also a spiritual struggle.

Your book has no more authority derived from God than that found in the Book of Mormon, so yes, you are essentially a Mormon.

You did it again. Trying to be offensive? I don’t call you things you don’t claim to be, can you do me the same courtesy?

I know far more about your book than any Islamic apologist I have yet met. Why is the Quran a comfortable copy-cat? Sure. It makes claims wihtout authority, and that is exactly what makes it exciting. You get to worship ‘one god’ without the complicaitons of deep thinking. Satan’s two greatest tools are atheism and monotheism devoid of Biblical authenticity.

Do you know more about the Qur’an than Muslims? I mean, have you ever actually read it? I’d start there. It’s a tough sell to say that the Qur’an allows one to worship God without deep thinking, since the Qur’an is constantly telling people to think deeply, and says it’s for those who think deeply. What’s the word for that? Deep thought… fikr. I would say that Satan has the better of the one whom he convinced to elevate a human being to the status of god.

I don’t know, maybe you are so obsessed with killing Jews that ‘war, war, war’ sounds like a pleasant way to spend the weekend!

That’s a dangerous accusation.

 

[Sister_Amy]

So you are saying that God’s name is not I AM?

No, I’m not saying that.

If Exodus was corrupted, when, by whom and for what purpose?

Well, in order to go down that road, it would be handy to have some proof, wouldn’t it? In the absence of any evidence to present to you, I think that conversation would be pretty useless.