that third link is just a bunch of pics - nothing about islam’s claim to some Jewish prophets. I am guessing that Salih is another name for a Jewish prophet born millenia before mohammed, just like the other two.
Arabia was a place of many important religious figures…and just recently many archaeologists believe that Mount Sinai , where God spoke to Moses , is located in NW Arabia (Midian) and not in Sinai peninsula…thus the list of the prophets who lived in Arabia includes: Abraham , Ishmael , Moses, Aaron, Jethro , Hud, Salih and Mohammed.
Then what are you saying?
God’s name is clearly “I AM” in the book of Exodus. Then you said that God said His name is “Allah”. So what conclusion am I supposed to draw from this?Then I would conclude that Exodus has not been corrupted. So I am still not following your explanation here about God’s name. You are saying that Exodus is not corrupted, Moses is not a liar and God did not change His name. So how do we get from “I AM” to “ALLAH”? Does Allah also mean I am in Arabic?
***Several ***Islamic states exist, all of which kill apostates in order to keep conversions out of Islam to a small number. Those who ***do ***leave are always in danger. You prophet divided the human race into two parts, and ordered that his ‘deen’ wage war against all other religions until the Day of Judgment.
Then quit talking as if it were.
Steve:
People did notice. Most of the Quran is nothing more than ***banter ***between Muhammad and his kinsmen, who saw that the Quran was no more than retold fables from old [Q 83:10, 29]. People used to *laugh *at your prophet, not marvel at the wonder of his poetry.
You are becoming hysterical. You worship a god, not God Almighty. I only mock false prophets, like yours and that of the Mormons.
I worship the Creator, you worship something entirely ‘other’ than God.
Planten-You make the statement "I believe that christianity has no legs to stand upon. " I disagree. To the contrary, the evidence for the historical accuracy of the gospels is excellent. One of my hobbies is that teach a class on the historical accuracy of the Gospels. You can get my lecture outline here:
I have looked at your blog. Lots of devotions to your god, but nothing scholarly on Semetic language that I could find, or of any real use to study of language. But, apparently, I am the one who needs schooling on language. Right, right. You tell it. All you have left to throw is that somehow, someway, I have it wrong.
Millions of people make a pilgriamge to a pagan shrine, recast by a suicidal poet into the religion of Abraham. Sorry, but Abraham never left Canaan once he arrived, except for his sojurn into Egypt, and in fact was buried in the Cave of Machpelah. Yet, we are to believe that he traveled to the Hijaz, built the Kaaba, then went back home to grow old and die? What 7th century fiction so much like Mormonism. Portraying Abraham as a Muslim who established the pagan rituals incorporated into Islam gives them credibility only to the ignorant.
I understand the story just fine. Sorry that you don’t and need to believe that it is I who is ignorant. But, I guess that is part of the ‘comfort’ of Islam, isn’t it?
You fall on your face in prayer to a rock in Arabia. I could call a cup of coffee the ‘creator of the heavens and the earth’, but unless its the God of the Bible, I would be out of luck. Like you are.
Its not tough at all. Just look at the Patriarchal Journeys [Gen 12-50] and you have nothing connecting the life and journeys of Abraham, or any other, to Mecca. There has to be a Biblical connection, even a mystical connection that may be ordinarily unclear, for these types of claims. And you just don’t have it.
This is comedy. The absolute absence of evidence is all you need to believe that the story was true?! There is nothing connecting Abraham to Mecca until the 7th century AD, and the connection was fabricated to sanctify a pagan shrine.
How could the Arabs have come there ***after ***Ishmael was left there? I thought the Arabs were ***descendents ***of Ishmael? Think before you post!
If you can’t refute the critic then just blame the translation!
Give me the names of a few of these ‘mainstream’ scholars. I want to know where they went to school. Also, are these ‘mainstream’ scholars using the classical interpretions, as you have held they must?
What?! The ‘classical interpretations’ are what I am relying on in ***my ***posts[Tabari, Abbas, Jalalayn], yet you object. Spencer uses modern sources, yet you object.
I am getting a clearer picture of who is distorting Islam and misleading people!
Huh? we are to bring the evidence of his claims, but none of his evidence counts as evidence to support his claims? The sources he uses are legitimate and his commentary an informative ***secondary ***source. Like that of your scholars, secondary.
Darl,
Mr. Spencer is Robert Spencer, a Christian writer on Islamic issues. His webpage is www.jihadwatch.org. He has also written numerous books on a variety of topics related to Islam.
oh ok, i know jihadwatch, but have not heard anyone mention him before…
Actually, her responce is no more than a general denial, and she provides no supporting evidence to refute Spencer. More of the same from the Muhamamdans. If you can’t refute the critic, just ignore him. If he continues, jail him if possible. Assassination later becomes condoned as a ‘last resort’. Bottom line: of critics won’t be silent, imprison or kill them.
No, you couldn’t. You would thrash about, cry loudly, then run away and call for jihad.
Historically, Christianity has the ***only ***legs to stand on.
Wine and Islamic history are very interesting. Take a look at this video. Also, we are addressing bad things in our societies. Maybe you should do the same in your own, rather than keep up some pretense of holiness when we know better. Your prophet was a sex addict, so please, cut the charade.
Hi Aydan,
I would like to answer this question, though Steve’s (name removed by moderator)ut is welcomed. There is no command in the NT that the ***form ***of prayer is of greater importance than the ***intent ***and the object. The only reason why Muslims even ***speak ***of Jesus at all is to recast him into the image of the Poet Muhammad.