Question on Islam -- round 4

[Sister_Amy]

Sister Amy;5145951:

Interesting story. I think it is a good example of a person who has very little experience in talking about Islam (the first girl) and who made a personal decision

not to fully disclose her beliefs to her friend. Look at how the majority of posters indicated that she should immediately explain the truth of Islam.

Do you know why?

Because it is not for people to guide others to Islam, it is for Allah. The job of a person preaching Islam is only to tell the truth, and let Allah guide people.

Your example proves very clearly the importance of being truthful in preaching about Islam, and the mistake of the girl in question was advised to be immediately rectified by telling the truth of everything. Maybe her friend will end up leaving Islam, but that isn’t the point, is it? Tell that to your leading apologists even if they don’t like to hear it.

What this shows is that the majority of Muslims did not have the authority to discuss the elements of orthodox Islam.

Oh, you mean that the majority of Muslims don’t believe in the absurd notion that lying is an acceptable part of da’wah, as you claim?

 

[Sister_Amy]

• DAWAH (noun)
The noun DAWAH has 1 sense:

1. missionary work for Islam

Familiarity information: DAWAH used as a noun is very rare.

This is how I use it. Let’s see.

Person: Amy, are you on the Da’wah Commitee?
Amy: Why, yes, I am, because I understand that da’wah is an obligation on every Muslim.
Person: What is da’wah anyway?
Amy: Da’wah is inviting people to Islam. Telling people about Allah, for instance, is *da’wah. *Some people think that Muslims worship another God, so first we start by talking about Allah. Scholars of Islam describe da’wah as having three pillars. The first pillar are the characteristics of the da’ee, or the person who is doing the da’wah. The second pillar is the characteristics of the person receiving the da’wah, the person receiving the invitation to islam. The third pillar of da’wah is the things which we as Muslims are calling others too, what we are inviting them to, and that is Islam.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Your religion is at war with all of humanity that is Dar al-Harb, and that makes you an agent of Islamic ‘dawaganda’ whether you like to think of yourself as a ‘jihadist’ or not.

Can you tell me which ayah in the Qur’an describes all of humanity as being, “Dar al-Harb.” Or maybe you can show me that phrase being used in the Qu’ran, ever? Or if not, maybe you can tell me when the Prophet Muhammad, saws, ever used that phrase? I’m interested to know.

Lothair has been dead for about 1,000 years, so I guess he has been retired for all that time.

So why do you sign your name as a dead person?

 

[R_not]

Incorrect. Incorrect in all senses of the term. It is an insult to call him such, because he isn’t that and doesn’t call himself that. I don’t really see him being “defended” by Muslims. I thought I’d step in in this thread to make a small point. I think if you are honest with yourself, you’ll see he’s only trying to present a more objective view. He’s a long way from promoting Islam, I think.

To another point not quoted here–jihad isn’t a reason for lying. War is. As in the words of Sun Tzu, “war is deception.” When you are at war, it is not necessary to reveal your plans to the enemy, for example. Preaching Islam is not war. I am not at war.

So you are a retired emperor?

islam divides the lands into dar al harb (the land of war) and dar al islam (the lands under sharia laws). And while in the land of war - deception is allowed. So, you are wrong - what you do is now twist Sun Tsu’s book (should we be surprised - ).

Your post is full of taqiyya.

In short, taqiyaa means DECEPTION and that is legal in Islam:

The Muslim activists are now (especially after 9/11) adopting:
1- change of identity
They never mention the Islamic code of punishment (Sharia).
They stress that they believe in Moses and Jesus. No longer call Jews “Zionists”, or Christians “Crusaders”
They use name like Paul John. Names like Mohammad and Mustafa were too strong to swallow, they thought.
They use the term “Sunday School” in place of “Friday Class”.
They end their speeches with the Christian expression “may God bless you”.
The American flag cover the background of their TV program set., wile in their daily ritual in Iran and elsewhere burn the flag and call America “The great Satan”.

2- Change vocabulary
They are using now words like Love, Grace, Salvation, justification and sanctification. Completely strang to Islamic vocabulary.
They change Koranic translation in order to hide some of Islam’s harsh teachings.

3- Change of way of life
Instead of living in isolation from society, their new strategy lie in trying to be accepted . They are now becoming active in partisan functions in order to have a say in party platforms. They conduct letter campaigns to members of congress to influence legislation. The run for public offices in hope of reaching a position of authority.
“And they (disbelievers) plotted to kill Isa (Jesus), and Allah plotted too. And Allah is the best of those who plot.” Surah 3:54
In Arabic “chir el makereen”.
“And (remember) when the disbelievers plotted against you (O Muhammad) to imprison , or to kill you, or to get you out (from your home, I.e. Makkah); they were plotting and Allah too was plotting, and Allah is the best of those who plot.” Surah 8:30

The Islamic deception has no limits.

 

[R_not]

Here is something interesting - a whole new generation of jihadists being created to hate.

And once again - it is a cleric preaching hatred.

 

[Reuben_J]

In short, taqiyaa means DECEPTION and that is legal in Islam:

The Muslim activists are now (especially after 9/11) adopting:
1- change of identity
They never mention the Islamic code of punishment (Sharia).
They stress that they believe in Moses and Jesus. No longer call Jews “Zionists”, or Christians “Crusaders”
They use name like Paul John. Names like Mohammad and Mustafa were too strong to swallow, they thought.
They use the term “Sunday School” in place of “Friday Class”.
They end their speeches with the Christian expression “may God bless you”.
The American flag cover the background of their TV program set., wile in their daily ritual in Iran and elsewhere burn the flag and call America “The great Satan”.

2- Change vocabulary
They are using now words like Love, Grace, Salvation, justification and sanctification. Completely strang to Islamic vocabulary.
They change Koranic translation in order to hide some of Islam’s harsh teachings.

3- Change of way of life
Instead of living in isolation from society, their new strategy lie in trying to be accepted . They are now becoming active in partisan functions in order to have a say in party platforms. They conduct letter campaigns to members of congress to influence legislation. The run for public offices in hope of reaching a position of authority.
“And they (disbelievers) plotted to kill Isa (Jesus), and Allah plotted too. And Allah is the best of those who plot.” Surah 3:54
In Arabic “chir el makereen”.
“And (remember) when the disbelievers plotted against you (O Muhammad) to imprison , or to kill you, or to get you out (from your home, I.e. Makkah); they were plotting and Allah too was plotting, and Allah is the best of those who plot.” Surah 8:30

The Islamic deception has no limits.

Frankly it’s frigthening when an organized religion does something like this because it means there is no limit in what they do to achieve their goal, especially since that goal is to conquer the percieved enemy.

How can Islam claims that it is the confirmation of all earlier messages of God when for the life of me I can’t find anything like this ever been revealed before?

 

[R_not]

Frankly it’s frigthening when an organized religion does something like this because it means there is no limit in what they do to achieve their goal, especially since that goal is to conquer the percieved enemy.

How can Islam claims that it is the confirmation of all earlier messages of God when for the life of me I can’t find anything like this ever been revealed before?

Well, you just stated what I posted before. Take note on islam’s history that there is no problem in attacking women and children. There is no problem with deceiving us about dar al harb/dar al islam. There is no problem with doing anything to unbelievers because they are dehumanized in islam. There are certainly no sharia law that protects them other than a thin veil of protection if they pay a tax and accept humiliation daily - and when muslims tire of them - they do what they will to them too.

Yes, you have - it is called fascism, communism. With a big difference being that not even the communists aim for women and children, or enslave them. BUT! They have no problem with brainwashing them to use to their end.

‘Fascism and Paganism, A brief Comparison of Nazism, Communism and Islam’ (a book)

I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose allah and his apostle. koran 8:12

allah said, ‘No prophet before mohammed took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ mohammed said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. the earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five priviledges were awarded to no prophet before me’. Ishaq 326

Do you wonder why I quote this passage from the Bible?

Luke 4: 5-8 - “and the devil, taking him [Jesus] up into a high mountain, showed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them; for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.” And Jesus answered, and said unto him, 'Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written [Deuteronomy 6: 13 - thou shalt fear the LORD thy God - NB - ‘LORD’ in the King James translation usually renders the Divine Name, YHWH] ‘Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve’.

Matthew 4: 8-10, “Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them, and saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, 'Get thee hence, Satan; for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”

The Evil One offers Jesus absolute temporal power, imperium, IF he will ‘fall down and worship me [the Adversary]’. Jesus says No. Mohammed, on the other hand, essentially says Yes! Right on! and Mohammedans have been grovelling before the Evil One, the Adversary, ever since, selling their souls as slaves of allah, in order to obtain worldly power.

And to that devil’s bargain (which in fact is itself based on a flat-out lie, for according to Hebrew theology, it is YHWH who has the last word, raising up and casting down kings and empires, as we see in the story of Babel, and of the Exodus), other words from the Gospels apply: “what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” (Matt 16: 26), or Mark 8: 37 - “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”, Luke 9: 23 - “for what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away”?

 

[R_not]

‘Fascism and Paganism, A brief Comparison of Nazism, Communism and Islam’ (a book)

Here is another quote from this book (page 158):

This lack of respect for human dignity and for human rights is a hallmark of racism and one of the reasons for Islam’s poverty and failure in the modern world. As the influential Pakistani mullah Maududi wrote, ‘Nothing in the law of mohammed states that the blood of the disbeliever is equal to the blood of the muslim, because faith is necessary for equality… (a) muslim is not to be put to death for murdering one of the people of the covenant (Jew or Christian).’ Discrimination against non-muslims is thus legal and universal. Non-muslims in islamic lands cannot be employed in the upper ranks of the civil service; are rarely seen in any high office in business or, in general, society’ and cannot educate or hold authority over muslims.

Can you believe the ear deafening whining and wailing from them if we did that to them in our lands?

 

[planten]

This is how I use it. Let’s see.

Person: Amy, are you on the Da’wah Commitee?
Amy: Why, yes, I am, because I understand that da’wah is an obligation on every Muslim.
Person: What is da’wah anyway?
Amy: Da’wah is inviting people to Islam. Telling people about Allah, for instance, is *da’wah. *Some people think that Muslims worship another God, so first we start by talking about Allah. Scholars of Islam describe da’wah as having three pillars. The first pillar are the characteristics of the da’ee, or the person who is doing the da’wah. The second pillar is the characteristics of the person receiving the da’wah, the person receiving the invitation to islam. The third pillar of da’wah is the things which we as Muslims are calling others too, what we are inviting them to, and that is Islam.

**Da\wah and Islam is Very well described by you Sis Amy. The posts of Reuben and others mean nothing. There is no such word as “Darul harb” or “Sword= Saif” in Quran. Thank you.

These catholics are busy trying hard to paste something into Islam from man made books.
**.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Frankly it’s frigthening when an organized religion does something like this because it means there is no limit in what they do to achieve their goal, especially since that goal is to conquer the percieved enemy.

That was really funny!! Where did you find it?

Gosh, do you really believe that silliness? Do you want me to go through it point-by-point for all its silliness? And you think it’s LYING? About Islam? Please. I think I will go through the list.

Firstly, I mention Shari’ah all the time. I love Shari’ah, God’s Law.

Secondly, Muslims do believe in Moses and Jesus, both are mentioned quite often in the Qur’an. That’s not a lie, nor a misrepresentation on the part of Muslims. The Qur’an emphasizes especially the people of Moses, who is the most-mentioned prophet in the Qur’an. And Muslims should stop using the term “Zionists” and “Crusaders” to refer to Jews and Christians because they are inaccurate. Not all Jews are Zionists, nor are all Zionists Jews. The term “Crusader” has other problems associated with it. Both words are angry rhetoric used to whip up hatred and are inaccurate. They shouldn’t be used. Again, not a misrepresentation for Muslims to avoid those terms, in fact it’s BETTER. duh. So it’s good, and representative of greater tolerance of non-Muslims.

Thirdly, about Muslims using false names. I use the name ‘Amy’ because it’s the name I was born with. If a Muslim opts to change his name from ‘Muhammad’ or ‘Mustafa’ it’s because he doesn’t feel like he fits in, and he doesn’t want anyone to know he’s a Muslim. That kind of person isn’t interested in spreading Islam, man, he’s interested in ditching it. Those are the guys you find at bars and clubs. To say Muslims do that for da’wah is really silly because it shows they aren’t proud of being Muslim in the first place.

Fourthly, we use both terms, “Sunday school” and “Friday class,” mostly depending on which day they happen. Muslims have “Sunday school” and “Saturday school.” Do you know the difference? One’s on Sunday, one is on Saturday! Because Muslims typically have weekends off in American culture, it’s often that religious schooling can take place on those days. I teach a “Sunday school” class. It’s actually called Al-Furqan school, but we call it Sunday school for short, because it’s on Sunday. Classes on Friday, Friday classes. I attend Friday classes. And Tuesday/Thursday classes too. To call that taqiyyah or whatever is really silly.

Fifthly, I’ve never heard a Muslim end a speech that way except if it was in front of a mostly non-Muslim audience. And that’s because if he said “Baarakallahu feekum” they’d look at him weird. But it means nothing other than “May God bless you.” So he translates it to English for English audiences. Christians don’t own the phrase. It’s not deception since he’s saying the same thing regardless.

Sixthly, I doubt you’ll find the same people doing that. Can’t Muslims have different opinions of the USA? I.e., some loving it, some hating it? I’m shocked to hear people have a daily ritual of burning the American flag… that’s awful retarded, they need to get a life.

About changing vocabulary? More foolishness! Let’s see:
The words love, grace, salvation, sanctification, justification are all English words, understood by English audiences. Therefore instead of using Arabic words that English-speaking folk don’t understand, it’s typical to translate. Those concepts are not foreign to Islam, not at all. They’re just in a different language.

The other charge, that Muslims are using different translations to “hide” things is pretty silly. It’s an accusation that comes up a lot, but I challenge anyone to present evidence of it actually taking place. There are many translations, none of which are perfect, they are the work of translators. But to say the translations deliberately misrepresent the Qur’an is a long stretch to make, and I’d like to see proof.

About involvement in society… isn’t that what Americans want in the first place? For everyone to “assimilate?” For people to participate in the political process? What’s wrong with Muslims writing letters to Congress? Or to the editor? They do it for the same reason that non-Muslims do. Not deception at all!

That list is so silly, I’ll be shocked if anyone here actually believes it.

How can Islam claims that it is the confirmation of all earlier messages of God when for the life of me I can’t find anything like this ever been revealed before?

How come I converted to Islam after reading the Qur’an finding it EXACTLY like the things that were revealed before?

 

[R_not]

That was really funny!! Where did you find it?

Gosh, do you really believe that silliness? Do you want me to go through it point-by-point for all its silliness? And you think it’s LYING? About Islam? Please. I think I will go through the list.

Firstly, I mention Shari’ah all the time. I love Shari’ah, God’s Law.

Secondly, Muslims do believe in Moses and Jesus, both are mentioned quite often in the Qur’an. That’s not a lie, nor a misrepresentation on the part of Muslims. The Qur’an emphasizes especially the people of Moses, who is the most-mentioned prophet in the Qur’an. And Muslims should stop using the term “Zionists” and “Crusaders” to refer to Jews and Christians because they are inaccurate. Not all Jews are Zionists, nor are all Zionists Jews. The term “Crusader” has other problems associated with it. Both words are angry rhetoric used to whip up hatred and are inaccurate. They shouldn’t be used. Again, not a misrepresentation for Muslims to avoid those terms, in fact it’s BETTER. duh. So it’s good, and representative of greater tolerance of non-Muslims.

Thirdly, about Muslims using false names. I use the name ‘Amy’ because it’s the name I was born with. If a Muslim opts to change his name from ‘Muhammad’ or ‘Mustafa’ it’s because he doesn’t feel like he fits in, and he doesn’t want anyone to know he’s a Muslim. That kind of person isn’t interested in spreading Islam, man, he’s interested in ditching it. Those are the guys you find at bars and clubs. To say Muslims do that for da’wah is really silly because it shows they aren’t proud of being Muslim in the first place.

Fourthly, we use both terms, “Sunday school” and “Friday class,” mostly depending on which day they happen. Muslims have “Sunday school” and “Saturday school.” Do you know the difference? One’s on Sunday, one is on Saturday! Because Muslims typically have weekends off in American culture, it’s often that religious schooling can take place on those days. I teach a “Sunday school” class. It’s actually called Al-Furqan school, but we call it Sunday school for short, because it’s on Sunday. Classes on Friday, Friday classes. I attend Friday classes. And Tuesday/Thursday classes too. To call that taqiyyah or whatever is really silly.

Fifthly, I’ve never heard a Muslim end a speech that way except if it was in front of a mostly non-Muslim audience. And that’s because if he said “Baarakallahu feekum” they’d look at him weird. But it means nothing other than “May God bless you.” So he translates it to English for English audiences. Christians don’t own the phrase. It’s not deception since he’s saying the same thing regardless.

Sixthly, I doubt you’ll find the same people doing that. Can’t Muslims have different opinions of the USA? I.e., some loving it, some hating it? I’m shocked to hear people have a daily ritual of burning the American flag… that’s awful retarded, they need to get a life.

About changing vocabulary? More foolishness! Let’s see:
The words love, grace, salvation, sanctification, justification are all English words, understood by English audiences. Therefore instead of using Arabic words that English-speaking folk don’t understand, it’s typical to translate. Those concepts are not foreign to Islam, not at all. They’re just in a different language.

The other charge, that Muslims are using different translations to “hide” things is pretty silly. It’s an accusation that comes up a lot, but I challenge anyone to present evidence of it actually taking place. There are many translations, none of which are perfect, they are the work of translators. But to say the translations deliberately misrepresent the Qur’an is a long stretch to make, and I’d like to see proof.

About involvement in society… isn’t that what Americans want in the first place? For everyone to “assimilate?” For people to participate in the political process? What’s wrong with Muslims writing letters to Congress? Or to the editor? They do it for the same reason that non-Muslims do. Not deception at all!

That list is so silly, I’ll be shocked if anyone here actually believes it.

How come I converted to Islam after reading the Qur’an finding it EXACTLY like the things that were revealed before?

All one has to do is read up on the history of islam. And I do not think that sister amy is willing to do such a thing. It is an imperialistic movement. It is still going on in fact. Another jihad against India was declared in late 2007. And what has been going on there? bombings, kidnappings, rape, forced marriages/conversions, etc. The torture has been particularly gruesome as it usually is.

jihad against the USA was announced in the late 1970s and we didn’t take it seriously and we had bombings in the 1980s against our citizens (I was in the USMC at that time), a lot of attacks against our (unarmed) citizens, and military in the 1990s, and we all know how it has gone in this century.

Sister amy laughing over such things shows the lack of concern over such things - the lack of concern over her fellow human beings. But, I already explained that lack in islam. And I am not surprised at her reaction, she is trying to defend the indefensible though. One would have to be completely blind as to what islam is all about.

Keep laughing sister amy. reading your posts is like a walk down oz.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful



Rights of Workers in Islam

… Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, president of the Fiqh Council of North America, states the following:…

Almighty Allah says: O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (not that you may despise each other).

Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)] (Al-Hujurat 49:13).

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said the following words in his last sermon:

"O people, indeed your Lord is one and your father is one. Behold, there is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab, nor for a white person over a black person, nor for a black person over a white person, except through piety."

… On the treatment of workers there are general and specific teachings in Islam. The following five points must be emphasized:

1. Clear and proper agreements.

… Allah says in the Qur’an O you who believe, fulfill your contracts] (Al-Ma’idah 5:1).

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Muslims must abide by their agreements, unless there is an agreement that makes halal what is haram or makes haram what is halal”

1. The dignity of workers…

Our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) kissed the hands of a laborer who showed him his rough hands due to his hard labor. He prayed for him and spoke very highly of those who labor over against those who sit idle or go begging.

3. Kindness to workers.

… Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Your brothers are your responsibility. Allah has made them under your hands. So whosoever has a brother under his hand, let him give him food as he eats and dress as he dresses. Do not give them work that will overburden them and if you give them such task then provide them assistance”

4. Proper and timely wages.

… Allah says To the Madyan people We sent Shu`aib, one of their own brethren. He said: "O my people, worship Allah; you have no other god but Him. Now has come unto you a Clear (Sign) from your Lord.

Give just measure and weight, nor withhold from the people the things that are their due; and do no mischief on the earth after it has been set in order: that will be best for you, if you have Faith] (Al-A`raf 7:85).

Allah warns those who take full measure but give less to others: Woe to those that deal in fraud. Those who, when they have to receive by measure from men, exact full measure. But when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due. Do they not think that they will be called to account? On a Mighty Day. A Day when (all) mankind will stand before the Lord of the Worlds] (Al-Mutaffifin 83:1-6).

Workers should also be paid on time. The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Give to the worker his wages before his sweat dries”

5. Freedom to form unions.

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Allah Almighty knows best.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1155193577227

 

[R_not]

Rights of Workers in Islam

… Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, president of the Fiqh Council of North America, states the following:…

Almighty Allah says: O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (not that you may despise each other).

Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)] (Al-Hujurat 49:13).

Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said the following words in his last sermon:

"O people, indeed your Lord is one and your father is one. Behold, there is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab, nor for a white person over a black person, nor for a black person over a white person, except through piety."

… On the treatment of workers there are general and specific teachings in Islam. The following five points must be emphasized:

1. Clear and proper agreements.

… Allah says in the Qur’an O you who believe, fulfill your contracts] (Al-Ma’idah 5:1).

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Muslims must abide by their agreements, unless there is an agreement that makes halal what is haram or makes haram what is halal”

1. The dignity of workers…

Our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) kissed the hands of a laborer who showed him his rough hands due to his hard labor. He prayed for him and spoke very highly of those who labor over against those who sit idle or go begging.

3. Kindness to workers.

… Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Your brothers are your responsibility. Allah has made them under your hands. So whosoever has a brother under his hand, let him give him food as he eats and dress as he dresses. Do not give them work that will overburden them and if you give them such task then provide them assistance”

4. Proper and timely wages.

… Allah says To the Madyan people We sent Shu`aib, one of their own brethren. He said: "O my people, worship Allah; you have no other god but Him. Now has come unto you a Clear (Sign) from your Lord.

Give just measure and weight, nor withhold from the people the things that are their due; and do no mischief on the earth after it has been set in order: that will be best for you, if you have Faith] (Al-A`raf 7:85).

Allah warns those who take full measure but give less to others: Woe to those that deal in fraud. Those who, when they have to receive by measure from men, exact full measure. But when they have to give by measure or weight to men, give less than due. Do they not think that they will be called to account? On a Mighty Day. A Day when (all) mankind will stand before the Lord of the Worlds] (Al-Mutaffifin 83:1-6).

Workers should also be paid on time. The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Give to the worker his wages before his sweat dries”

5. Freedom to form unions.

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Here is the problem with your so called speech on all this toleration from islam - it isn’t practiced, it isn’t reflected in your sharia laws, nor is it a concept in islam. So, what is your post? deceptive.

Instead we are getting the usual claims of victimhood from muslims as we are the ones who are intolerant. Of course, I don’t see it happening when I worked with the muslims that were at the University. But, I did and still read, about the intolerance from the muslims against the Jews.

muslims attack college Republicans at SFSU

Jews attacked on UCBerkeley campus

March 3 2006, when one Mohammed Reza Taheri-Azar decided to take ‘revenge’ for what he perceived as

the Infidel-inflicted sufferings of Muslims abroad, and rented an SUV and drove it right into a crowd of Infidel students on the campus of the University of North Carolina.

Jews attacked on UCBerkeley
campus

MSA and UCIrvine - hate, anti-semitism, anti-USA

the hate-fest on UCIrvine 2009

While in the Middle East, dhimmi can expect harsh conditions to not only live, but to work also. The next post will cover this. For now, I have to go do some exercise.

 

[R_not]

While waiting for my ride, I was able to type what I needed to do to finish this thought on islamic intolerance:

source: ‘Fascism and Paganism, A brief Comparison of Nazism, Communism and Islam’

Quote (page 158):
As Bat Ye’or states in ‘Islam and Dhimiitude: Where Civilization Collide’, islam has created a bifurcated would order. There is the holy, devout, and superior Arabian-islamic world on the one hand. On the other are the dhimmis and dhimmitude. Dhimmitude defines the relations amongst differeing religious and ideological groups. It basically refers to non-muslims who need to be coerced into supporting islam. For example, after the Arab conquests of the AD 7th and 8th Centuries, Christian dhimmi peoples remained, for centuries, ethnic majorities but were denied equal status. The Arabs were, in effect, defining majority Christians as religious minorities and, in essence, rewriting and falsifying history. Dhimmitude is thus a contract of submission and entails obligations by the dhimmi to the muslims. It is designed to wipe out the wealth, spirit, and any potential noncompliance by teh dhimmis to islamic demands. Dhimmitude is state-sanctioned and ideologically mandated racism.

islamic demands upon dhimmis can take many forms, including those such as ‘fay’, which ensures that the property and wealth of the ‘infidels’ be given to the caliph for benefit of the umma; or the 'kharj, which is a tribute (paid in advance and calculated many times) paid to Arab conquerors who instill a collective tax to reduce the population to peasantry and poverty; or the ‘jizya’, which is a heavy poll tax usually impossible to pay without selling some family members to the muslims to reduce it. Even the old, the sick, or the disabledk dhimmis have to comply with extortionate muslim demands. Dhimmitude essentially means servitude to muslim masters and their whims. It is the division of society into ‘us’ and ‘them’.

The creation of dhimmis and the intolerance toward nonbelievers is so stringent that islam is incapable of understanding, using, or accepting outside influences and viewpoints. Such hatred of outside forces finds echoes in Hitler’s anarchic state. As historian Paul Johnson argues in the ‘National Review’, ‘In all countries where islamic law is applied, converts, whether compulsory or not, who revert to their earlier faith, are punished by death.’ It is hard to imagine such great intolerance and fear of other thoughts, passions, and ideals. It signifies a state-owned fascist representation of the world in which no dissent can be accepted. When viewed historically and when analyzed objectively, it is clear that islam is not a religion of diversity, debate, reform, introspection, or tolerance. It is a myopic, monolithic and intolerant of dissent or doubt.

 

[Jay53]

This is how I use it. Let’s see.

Person: Amy, are you on the Da’wah Commitee?
Amy: Why, yes, I am, because I understand that da’wah is an obligation on every Muslim.
Person: What is da’wah anyway?
Amy: Da’wah is inviting people to Islam. Telling people about Allah, for instance, is *da’wah. *Some people think that Muslims worship another God, so first we start by talking about Allah. Scholars of Islam describe da’wah as having three pillars. The first pillar are the characteristics of the da’ee, or the person who is doing the da’wah. The second pillar is the characteristics of the person receiving the da’wah, the person receiving the invitation to islam. The third pillar of da’wah is the things which we as Muslims are calling others too, what we are inviting them to, and that is Islam.

This has probably been answered before, but I don’t understand: if Allah is just the arabic word for God and is used as such, why don’t the above statements say:

“Telling people about God, for instance, is da’wah. Some people think that Muslims worship another God, so first we start by talking about God. …” Why is there the deliberate change from God to the word Allah?

 

[morning_star777]

If I’m not mistaken, Planten is Ahmadi <-spelling??

And although they themselves call each other a muslim, the rest of the muslims like sunny and shia do not look at them as muslims.

Once planten informed us that he is a Sunni Muslim.But here many posters suspect him as Ahmadi.But since planten claims that he is Sunni so I think he is sunni,but his beliefs are same as Ahmadi islami Jamma’t.And It is a tradition for Muslims that one Group considers others as non Muslims.Both Sunni and Shia consider Ahmadis as non Muslims, and even many Sunni consider Shia’s as non Muslim or Kafir and agent of Jews!!It is interesting because we know that,Iran is one of the biggest enemy of Israel..

 

[Lothair]

Firstly, I mention Shari’ah all the time. I love Shari’ah, God’s Law.

Glad to read that you love Sharia Law. It is always nice to read the Muhammadan admit that apostates should be killed, women should be stoned to death and the ‘people of the book’ should be fought against until they submit, die, leave the land or pay jizya. The remainder of your comments are therefore moot.

Muslims do believe in Moses and Jesus, both are mentioned quite often in the Qur’an.

No, a 7th century counterfeit version of Moses and Jesus are mentioned in the Quran. You falsely consider both Moses and Jesus forerunners of your prophet, and only believe insofar as you think they were early worshippers of the pagan god Allah.

That’s not a lie, nor a misrepresentation on the part of Muslims. The Qur’an emphasizes especially the people of Moses, who is the most-mentioned prophet in the Qur’an.

You prophets Sunnah explicity state that Jews are the enemy of the pagan god Allah, and they should all be killed. Killing the Jews is the emphasis.

And Muslims should stop using the term “Zionists” and “Crusaders” to refer to Jews and Christians because they are inaccurate.

Amy, can you show me one example, from an Islamic message board, where you have made similar comments on these hateful labels?

Can’t Muslims have different opinions of the USA?

Muslims have one opinion about the USA, and it isn’t any less than that establised by the false prophet Abdul Quysim. After all, It is impossible for a true believer to love a kafir: “You will not find people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having love for anyone who opposes Allah and His Messenger” (Qur’an 58-21).

The words love, grace, salvation, sanctification, justification are all English words, understood by English audiences. Therefore instead of using Arabic words that English-speaking folk don’t understand, it’s typical to translate. Those concepts are not foreign to Islam, not at all. They’re just in a different language

These words are not foreign to Islam because your theologians peeled them from our Scriptures. Making up a copy-cat religion is easy to do, just ask a Mormon/Muslim!

The other charge, that Muslims are using different translations to “hide” things is pretty silly.

You want some evidence? Here is is ‘The “Samaritan” Error In The Qur’an’,

About involvement in society… isn’t that what Americans want in the first place? For everyone to “assimilate?”

Muslims are not assimilationg at all. They are preparing for jihad.

That list is so silly, I’ll be shocked if anyone here actually believes it.

I read the list, and is not only believeable, it is true.

How come I converted to Islam after reading the Qur’an finding it EXACTLY like the things that were revealed before

Because for you, it is a comfortable copy-cay. I’ll keep the original.

 

[Lothair]

This has probably been answered before, but I don’t understand: if Allah is just the arabic word for God and is used as such, why don’t the above statements say:

“Telling people about God, for instance, is da’wah. Some people think that Muslims worship another God, so first we start by talking about God. …” Why is there the deliberate change from God to the word Allah?

The reason for the deliberate change from God to Allah is that the word Allah is the proper name for a specific deity, that whose name is Allah. Let’s fo further. Tthere are 99 different ‘attributes’ of Allah, one of which is ‘ar-Rahman’. In english the word translates ‘the benificient’. But, guess what. Archeaological evidence unearthed in Yemen proves that there was a specific deity named ‘Rahman’ known to the Arabians. All Muhamamd had done in the 7th century was to syncritize Arabian paganism with the traits of monotheists in the Hijaz whom he admired. They were called ‘hanifs’, and Islamic history preserves the names of four who lived in Mecca. Three later became Christians.

Muslims do worship another god, in fact many gods, all wrapped up the in moniker of ‘Allah’.

 

[Jay53]

The reason for the deliberate change from God to Allah is that the word Allah is the proper name for a specific deity, that whose name is Allah. Let’s fo further. Tthere are 99 different ‘attributes’ of Allah, one of which is ‘ar-Rahman’. In english the word translates ‘the benificient’. But, guess what. Archeaological evidence unearthed in Yemen proves that there was a specific deity named ‘Rahman’ known to the Arabians. All Muhamamd had done in the 7th century was to syncritize Arabian paganism with the traits of monotheists in the Hijaz whom he admired. They were called ‘hanifs’, and Islamic history preserves the names of four who lived in Mecca. Three later became Christians.

Muslims do worship another god, in fact many gods, all wrapped up the in moniker of ‘Allah’.

Thank you for the info.! I just thought it was very unusual that someone for whom English is their first language would switch between God and Allah. In the sentences given, Allah appears to be a proper name as opposed to just “God” if that makes any sense. I also find it suspect that some of the prayers in Islam are REQUIRED to be in Arabic - as if God prefers or only understands the prayers in that language (which I don’t buy for one minute.) Does anyone know if the prayers are “invalid” according to Islam if they are recited in one’s native language? (I believe it was MuslimWoman who at one time indicated that the ‘required’ prayers had to be in Arabic, but any other prayers offered could be in one’s own tongue.)

I will say, also, that I don’t believe that Muslims today believe that they are worshipping another god or gods. That may have been what Muhammad and/or Satan started and how Islam began, but I truly believe that Muslims today intend to worship the One True God. Obviously they have a false understanding of Him since Satan has led them to deny the crucifixion, but that’s a whole other topic.

 

[R_not]

The reason for the deliberate change from God to Allah is that the word Allah is the proper name for a specific deity, that whose name is Allah. Let’s fo further. Tthere are 99 different ‘attributes’ of Allah, one of which is ‘ar-Rahman’. In english the word translates ‘the benificient’. But, guess what. Archeaological evidence unearthed in Yemen proves that there was a specific deity named ‘Rahman’ known to the Arabians. All Muhamamd had done in the 7th century was to syncritize Arabian paganism with the traits of monotheists in the Hijaz whom he admired. They were called ‘hanifs’, and Islamic history preserves the names of four who lived in Mecca. Three later became Christians.

Muslims do worship another god, in fact many gods, all wrapped up the in moniker of ‘Allah’.

I am curious as to what you say the other god is in islam.

(I say they worship more than just two - allah and mohammed, but also the koran and the black stone - Ali Sina, an Iranian ex-muslim wrote back to a question I had to him about them worshiping mohammed too and he included the black stone and the koran. The black stone is believed by them to have a ‘conscience’ and will speak for them on the day of judgement. Another ex-muslim wrote an article about it on FFI)

But, what do you say?