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Prince Charles, Heir to the British Monarchy in a recent public speech at Oxford University stated:
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“If there is much misunderstanding in the West about the nature of Islam, there is also much ignorance about the debt our own culture and civilisation owe to the Islamic world. It is a failure, which stems, I think, from the straight-jacket of history, which we have inherited. The medieval Islamic world, from central Asia to the shores of the Atlantic, was a world where scholars and men of learning flourished. But because we have tended to see Islam as the enemy of the West, as an alien culture, society, and system of belief, we have tended to ignore or erase its great relevance to our own history.”
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Rationally,

Muslims make up a quarter of humanity. Muslims are becoming increasingly assertive.

For good or ill Islam is now everyone’s business.
 
LOL Rationally,

Charlie also believes in homeopathy.

In fact he believes in so many damn fool things he is becoming an embarrassment to the Monarchy.

If Charlie believes it that’s probably a good reason for thinking it’s wrong.
 
Rationally,

Yunus won a peace prize, not an economics prize. However in his case, unlike many other peace prizes, I think it was well-deserved.
 
Yeah, Mr. Yunus has done great work. He definitely deserves his prize. But what is the point of including him? This thread is supposed to be about how Muslims aren’t winning science prizes because the “scientific miracles” (a contradictory term) found in the Quran are not in fact scientific in the way that the majority of the world understands that term.
 
kristin2007 said:
Rationally,

Yunus won a peace prize, not an economics prize. However in his case, unlike many other peace prizes, I think it was well-deserved.
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**Yes Peace but because of his unique economics and …:
"The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 2006, divided into two equal parts, to Muhammad Yunus and Grameen Bank for their efforts to create economic and social development
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from below…"
nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2006/press.html
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Rationally,

I have no difficulty counting Yunus as an economics prize winner if that’s what you want
 
**wow, mornin everyone…sheesh what have I missed…seems like I woke up to yikesabee!
What you simply do not understand is that if you have faith, you do not need to prove any scientific miracles that “must” be found in any authentic scripture, of any religion.
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The language of the old can be misleading especially in the field of science because anybody can manipulate its meanings to suit the agenda.
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To me, this cannot be even a factor for proving a belief. I got this all the time when I was a Christian, “Ya just gotta have faith”! What is this??? Can’t answer, so you say this line? All I got was a circle unending to questions that DO have answers…just ya can’t find them in the religion of the Christians. I wanted proof for my belief not just blind following on something that is questionable and the Bible is extremely questionable. All one has to do is read it.

If you really believe in your last paragraph that you said, then why believe in what you believe? Faith? on what??? False or misleading information?

americanrevert**
 
**Hello,

The point to all these posts was to achieve a definitive answer. Questions were asked, AND ANSWERED, but not the answer that some wanted (persistence upon a matter that one cannot understand is not the Muslim’s fault)

Some answered because of what they know, some answered because they felt they had to defend, some answered because they just had to feel important enough to answer what they don’t know, some answered out of truth and sincerity, some answered with disgust and hatefulness (is evident), and some answered with a mere speck of knowledge that shows.

The main thing is, we do not need science to prove the word of God or that God exists. Simple as that. It isn’t upon Muslims to show you what you do not see yourself from lack of knowledge pertaining to science. It isn’t upon Muslims to prove to anyone that we need Science to back them up. (it is a plus though to make people see and understand better) Muslims don’t need scientists to state how they think they are correct in their assessment “of their own theories” on how they think the Quran should state. Muslims don’t need scientists to tell them anything.

The final message is from God Himself. He wrote it in the official language of Arabi. He worded it, (some can’t understand it, but that isn’t the Muslims fault as well), He sent it and He is protecting it.

Quran: 3:102 O you who believe! Fear Allah (by doing all that He has ordered and by abstaining from all that He has forbidden) as He should be feared. (Obey Him, be thankful to Him, and remember Him always), and die not except in a state of Islam (as Muslims) with complete submission to Allah.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ تُقَاتِهِ وَلَا تَمُوتُنَّ إِلَّا وَأَنْتُمْ مُسْلِمُونَ​

americanrevert
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Americanrevert said:
**wow, mornin everyone…sheesh what have I missed…seems like I woke up to yikesabee!

To me, this cannot be even a factor for proving a belief. I got this all the time when I was a Christian, “Ya just gotta have faith”! What is this??? Can’t answer, so you say this line? All I got was a circle unending to questions that DO** have answers…just ya can’t find them in the religion of the Christians. I wanted proof for my belief not just blind following on something that is questionable and the Bible is extremely questionable. All one has to do is read it.

If you really believe in your last paragraph that you said, then why believe in what you believe? Faith? on what??? False or misleading information?

americanrevert
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You are misreading the quoted post. The poster said that no SCIENTIFIC “miracles” MUST be found to authenticate the religion. We don’t believe as some fundamentalists do that the Bible is a Holy book AND a science manual. Do you believe as the fundamentalists do about your Quran? Is it a science manual? If so, then why are there sooooo very many scientific errors in it (the sun setting in a murky spring, sperm produced between the loins and the ribs, etc)?

And if you DON’T believe that the Quran needs to be scientifically accurate, then you should have no problem with the post you quoted. All it is saying that if you have faith, it doesn’t need to be substantiated by scientific agreement, since many of the claims of religion lie outside of scientific boundaries. “Miracles”, by their nature, are supernatural, and hence extra-scientific.
 
Americanrevert said:
**Hello,

The point to all these posts was to achieve a definitive answer. Questions were asked, AND ANSWERED**, but not the answer that some wanted (persistence upon a matter that one cannot understand is not the Muslim’s fault)

Some answered because of what they know, some answered because they felt they had to defend, some answered because they just had to feel important enough to answer what they don’t know, some answered out of truth and sincerity, some answered with disgust and hatefulness (is evident), and some answered with a mere speck of knowledge that shows.

The main thing is, we do not need science to prove the word of God or that God exists. Simple as that. It isn’t upon Muslims to show you what you do not see yourself from lack of knowledge pertaining to science. It isn’t upon Muslims to prove to anyone that we need Science to back them up. (it is a plus though to make people see and understand better) Muslims don’t need scientists to state how they think they are correct in their assessment “of their own theories” on how they think the Quran should state. Muslims don’t need scientists to tell them anything.

The final message is from God Himself. He wrote it in the official language of Arabi. He worded it, (some can’t understand it, but that isn’t the Muslims fault as well), He sent it and He is protecting it.

Quran: 3:102 O you who believe! Fear Allah (by doing all that He has ordered and by abstaining from all that He has forbidden) as He should be feared. (Obey Him, be thankful to Him, and remember Him always), and die not except in a state of Islam (as Muslims) with complete submission to Allah.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ تُقَاتِهِ وَلَا تَمُوتُنَّ إِلَّا وَأَنْتُمْ مُسْلِمُونَ​

americanrevert
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:yawn:
do you have anything nice or even the remotest bit insightful to say on here?
Ive sat back and watched you post now for a little while, and ive even been tempted to answer a couple of times, but i feel that even plantens responses warrant more of my time.
So, i really pray that you do eventually have something that is even worth a response soon. 😉
 
Americanrevert,

Questions were asked and answered?

I must have missed something.

Where are the peer reviewed scientific citations that document the so-called scientific miracles of the koran?

Show me PLEASE.
 
**hello,
You are misreading the quoted post. The poster said that no SCIENTIFIC “miracles” MUST be found to authenticate the religion. We don’t believe as some fundamentalists do that the Bible is a Holy book AND a science manual. Do you believe as the fundamentalists do about your Quran? Is it a science manual? If so, then why are there sooooo very many scientific errors in it (the sun setting in a murky spring, sperm produced between the loins and the ribs, etc)?
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And if you DON’T believe that the Quran needs to be scientifically accurate, then you should have no problem with the post you quoted. All it is saying that if you have faith, it doesn’t need to be substantiated by scientific agreement, since many of the claims of religion lie outside of scientific boundaries. “Miracles”, by their nature, are supernatural, and hence extra-scientific
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I believe you are missing the point. * The Quran does have scientific explanations that were there before scientists even discovered them.* To us, they are miracles since an illiterate man, over 1429 years ago, was chosen and sent with this knowledge in a message from God. This is indeed a miracle in itself. Extra scientific, I suppose that scientists/men knew then of the scientific findings that the Quran holds already to have been stated. You don’t find that extra-oridinary? The past didn’t know what we know today and yet you find many things that are stated in the Quran, unchanged for over 1400 years now…and scientists are still finding out things…that perhaps they can compare them to what the Quran has been stated for thousands of years. And Allah knows best.

I agree, faith plays a huge role in accepting the authentic proof of the word of God. But to prove is another story…in which sure, you claim the Bible doesn’t possess these types of miracles, but wouldn’t you love to be able to put faith and salvation in a message that states is from our Creator and does???

dolphin, to each his/her own~do as you please

americanrevert**
 
**Let us not blame the bible for any lack of knowledge in it. For the purpose of satisfaction of the orignal poster , The Scientist, would it be not a surprise that:
  1. the Quran described that all living bodies were created from water? That is why the scientists are looking for water first on moon and other planets.
  2. That all things were created in pairs. Nowadays the science says that there are bodies and anti bodies too.
  3. Up till very late the world believed that the earth was still and other bodies went around it. Quran told against it.
  4. When there was some break through, it was believed that Sun was stationary and all other bodies went around the Sun. In that I will stress on the Sun being stationary. But the Quran did not agree to it. It informed about the temporary places of the Sun’s travails.
  5. The Quran also described the celestial bodies as being global.
Quran is not a book of Science. It is a spiritual book. That is more important matter. It has history too. But it is not a book of history. But that may also be scientific, many historical truths are in it.

It is not necessary that the findings of the Quran be subjected to the Nature magazine etc. The Quran is describing the nature. It is describing a completely natural religion. There is nature in Quran and nothing is unnatural in it. Please remember that the Quran is the word of God and the Universe is the work of God. There is no difference in the word of God and work of God.

The word of God is describing the work of God. There cannot be any difference. There are things which are known to mankind ( seen, Haazir). There are other things unknown to mankind (Unseen, Ghaib). Due to investigations by the scientists, every day, the unknown is being resolved into the known. The Ghaib is turning into Haazir. The unseen (unknown) is being discovered and turning into seen (known) things.

One friend (The American) has given a very long list of the scientific matters in the Quran. It has impressed me very much. I hope that should be a good guide for the questioner and he/she being a scientist, may go ahead with investigation into the various scientific news given in the Quran. That news should be enough to be counted as a miracle. Otherwise, it is not possible to put everything on the table for scientific experiment.

I personally feel that after knowing what Maurice Bucaille wrote in his book “The Bible, The Quran and Science” there was no need to start this thread. The word “Science” is there in the title of the book. What could be better?. Is it necessry that articles should appear in the Nature magazines?. Is a book not better than the periodicals? Please continue or tell what was really required. Give some example of the problem. Thanks.**
 
**There is a news about the body of Pharoah being preserved or saved to be seen by the future generations. That was the Pharoah, king of Egypt who opposed Moses a.s. and did not allow the exodus of the Jews from Egypt. The Quran says about that pharoah when he was drowning:

But this day (and forever), we shall save thee in thy body so that thou may be a sign for those who come after thee. But most people are heedless of our signs." (Al-Quran 10:92)**
That body, nobody knew about it. It was discovered only in the late 19th century A.D, buried underground in a pyramid. The pyramid was fully buried in the sand. Could it not be some kind of a miracle of the Quran, please.
 
**Assalaamu’alaykum,

barakAllahu feek planten lovely post tabarakAllah.

Yes, I have that book as well, The Bible, Quran and Science. Now there’s a book worth readin!

I love the miracle of the two seas coming together but yet not intermingling!!! amazin…in the Quran over 1400 years ago and now in the what, 20th century they find it a miracle not even goin into each other! Simply amazing SubhanAllah!!..oh yeah, and the fingerprint as well!! no two are identicle…amazin…but yet, people think these are not worth mentioning as miracles…well, God wrote it, He produced it, and He created it! This is a beautiful Creator we are to be thankful to!

barakAllahu feeka,

americanrevert**
 
Americanrevert said:
**Hello,

The point to all these posts was to achieve a definitive answer. Questions were asked, AND ANSWERED**, but not the answer that some wanted (persistence upon a matter that one cannot understand is not the Muslim’s fault)

Some answered because of what they know, some answered because they felt they had to defend, some answered because they just had to feel important enough to answer what they don’t know, some answered out of truth and sincerity, some answered with disgust and hatefulness (is evident), and some answered with a mere speck of knowledge that shows.

The main thing is, we do not need science to prove the word of God or that God exists. Simple as that. It isn’t upon Muslims to show you what you do not see yourself from lack of knowledge pertaining to science. It isn’t upon Muslims to prove to anyone that we need Science to back them up. (it is a plus though to make people see and understand better) Muslims don’t need scientists to state how they think they are correct in their assessment “of their own theories” on how they think the Quran should state. Muslims don’t need scientists to tell them anything.

The final message is from God Himself. He wrote it in the official language of Arabi. He worded it, (some can’t understand it, but that isn’t the Muslims fault as well), He sent it and He is protecting it.

Quran: 3:102 O you who believe! Fear Allah (by doing all that He has ordered and by abstaining from all that He has forbidden) as He should be feared. (Obey Him, be thankful to Him, and remember Him always), and die not except in a state of Islam (as Muslims) with complete submission to Allah.

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ تُقَاتِهِ وَلَا تَمُوتُنَّ إِلَّا وَأَنْتُمْ مُسْلِمُونَ​

americanrevert
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You have no right to digress and evade the OP’s questions by playing a broken record. Your arguments have already been debunked on other threads over and over. Please stick to the topic!

I simply want you to know that this is not the right thread where you can post your ridiculous claims about the origins of your supposedly new faith.

You say that you changed your religion because you had nothing to prove your faith. Now you say the reason for your faith in the Koran is that the Koran says so. If you believe in the Koran, where is your proof other than the Koran? If you believe in the Koran as a proof, where is your faith?

I am sick of your circular reasoning. It has already made me feel dizzy. LOL
 
Americanrevert said:
**Assalaamu’alaykum,

barakAllahu feek planten lovely post tabarakAllah.

Yes, I have that book as well, The Bible, Quran and Science. Now there’s a book worth readin!

I love the miracle of the two seas coming together but yet not intermingling!!! amazin…in the Quran over 1400 years ago and now in the what, 20th century they find it a miracle not even goin into each other! Simply amazing SubhanAllah!!..oh yeah, and the fingerprint as well!! no two are identicle…amazin…but yet, people think these are not worth mentioning as miracles…well, God wrote it, He produced it, and He created it! This is a beautiful Creator we are to be thankful to!

barakAllahu feeka,

americanrevert**
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aaronjo, rational, …

It is high time you cited reference from your scripture and from secular books of scientific discoveries to prove your point.

No one will buy your fantasies, and they shall go spoiled. 😃
 
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