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planten said:
At least Galileo was punished for saying that there were Spots in the Sun. He was terribly punished by the church and he had to bow down on his knees to deny what he had said. Even then he was not spared. Would you deny that?
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Please, this is a very old topic. You’re clearly grasping for straws at this point - but if you’d like to discuss Galileo, you could start another thread and many of us would be pleased to correct your misconceptions. Or you could just do a forum search.
Now another subject. The present day advancement of Science is not due to the church. It is because the church has left off interfering in any legislative or scientific matter. Church has stopped interfering in the scientific investigations. That has permitted the recent progress by the secular scientists.
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Wrong again. The Church has always encouraged valid scientific progress. Why do you think the Vatican has an observatory? Mendel, the father of genetics, was a Catholic Monk. Fr. Georges Lemaître, the man who was first to theorise the Big Bang…well, that one is pretty obvious. To make a long story short, you’re using the same false arguments that people have told you without doing any of your own research. I would expect more.
 
Angelos said:
I definitely understand what you mean 🙂

You see I have posted a few times to rebut the so-called scientific miracles of the Koran, all of which are based on the deliberate distortion of the Islamic scripture by Muslim scholars. No matter how many times we expose this fact, Muslims will keep on ignoring the truth as they are blind because of their faith. However, I still hope more and more Muslims will find out the truth soon like Mohammad.
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Yes, we have noticed the various in-appropriate translations of Islamic scripture done by angelos on this forum. He has the advantage of having a dual character (Double role), being a previous non-christian.
 
planten said:
**Those peers should have got hold of Maurices book and commented on it from their point of view. Science is not locked/ limited in the minds of those peers. And since when they have existed?

There was a definite belief that earth was stationary and other bodies went around the earth. There was a better belief when the peers woke up to a better reality that earth was not stationary. It was travelling. That almost shocked the church. Every new discovery was being denied by the church and the discoverers were being punished by the church, Galileo being one of them.

The peers came to the idea that earth was revolving around the sun but Sun was the center and stationary. The Quran said that Sun was also moving to its temporary stations (Mustaqar). The Quran also told that all heavenly bodies were global. That all were floating in their orbits.

What else is Science please? Maurice had done the excellent job. It was then the job of the peers of science to deny what Maurice had written (Published). Is there any writing from the science peers disproving anything written by Maurice? I hope not.

Now that kristin is a scientist, should take the book to the peers and complain there that such as such announcements (declarations) are being made by some one.Please look into them and approve or disprove them.

Until the peers disprove anything in that book, there is no need to deny the truth of the contents.**
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Since the book proved nothing, there is nothinig to disprove.
 
Angelos said:
Since GOD is the Trinity, your question is condemned to absurdity.
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** Niether the Torah says that God is a Trinity, nor says the bible NT. The Quran also denies it. So your belief is figment of your fanciful thinking. There is no Trinity anywhere.**
 
planten said:
** Niether the Torah says that God is a Trinity, nor says the bible NT. The Quran also denies it. So your belief is figment of your fanciful thinking. There is no Trinity anywhere.**
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Yet another pre-programmed argument. Are you actually here to discuss, or just to proselytize? Because the evidence for the Trinity in scriptures is ENORMOUS. Obviously the Quran denies it, but that just is another piece of evidence for it being from a source other than God.
 
mattkubes said:
When all else fails, Google Scholar will be your friend 😉 In short, there are the usual enzymes (aminopeptidase, etc) so nothing that acts super fast. I can’t believe I actually looked for it, but there was an article by…well, here’s the citation I’d give haha:

Terra, W. (1990). Evolution of Digestive Systems of Insects. Annu. Rev. Entomol. 35:181-200

I’m sorry, I’m still in research mode from my thesis lol
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I’m glad you looked it up. It shows that you took me seriously. 🙂 And makes me feel like I wasn’t just pulling something out of my butt.
Well, both actually. We certainly don’t believe in three Gods if that’s what you mean, but we also don’t put human limitations on God and say that He can’t exist in three Divine Persons.
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I never suggested you believed in three Gods. I just think that the Trinity is not innate or natural, while belief in God is. And it’s not a matter of saying God can’t, which you won’t find me saying, but a matter of saying God doesn’t… and God says so. 😃
 
Sister_Amy said:
Do you think that this statement could be construed in a vulgar way?

Do you think that it connotes (or even denotes) pantheism?
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I think Isa Almisry was referring to God’s omnipresence which I’m sure you believe as well. It could be taken out of context, but when you look at the poster’s religious affiliation, I think we know what was actually meant!
 
mattkubes said:
I think Isa Almisry was referring to God’s omnipresence which I’m sure you believe as well. It could be taken out of context, but when you look at the poster’s religious affiliation, I think we know what was actually meant!
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Sorry, but “God’s omnipresence” is not something that I have been taught in Islam.
 
Sister_Amy said:
I never suggested you believed in three Gods. I just think that the Trinity is not innate or natural, while belief in God is. And it’s not a matter of saying God can’t, which you won’t find me saying, but a matter of saying God doesn’t… and God says so.
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So obviously the root issue here is which text we believe to be the inspired word of God. We could argue all day about scientific miracles, but in the end we miss out on the fundamental issue that, at least intellectually, separates us!

I would have to disagree that the Trinity is not innate or natural - it may be difficult/impossible to fully understand (as anything is with God), but it is certainly knowable. We Christians see the Trinity as the only way that a fallen human nature could be redeemed (especially in the context of the Jewish sacrificial system). How could the perfect sacrifice be made outside of the context of God?

Now having said that, we don’t base the Doctrine of the Trinity on an inference - no, we rely on the revealed Word of God and the Traditions as laid out by Christ’s Apostles.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Sorry, but “God’s omnipresence” is not something that I have been taught in Islam.
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last time you talked about this topic you said Allah is not omnipresent yet is omnipresent by His Wisdom/
Knowledge and when i asked about it, you said you will refer to your sheikh. Can you now explain what that meant?
 
inJESUS said:
last time you talked about this topic you said Allah is not omnipresent yet is omnipresent by His Wisdom/
Knowledge and when i asked about it, you said you will refer to your sheikh. Can you now explain what that meant?
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I can explain it but that doesn’t mean you’ll understand.

The answer is that God is “not everywhere” but that His Attributes are everywhere.

🤷

And don’t ask more than that, seriously I don’t know. That’s all I’ve got.
 
inJESUS said:
last time you talked about this topic you said Allah is not omnipresent yet is omnipresent by His Wisdom/
Knowledge and when i asked about it, you said you will refer to your sheikh. Can you now explain what that meant?
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I’d like an explanation of that too! How is it that an infinite God is not omnipresent? Sure, He many manifest His presence in different ways in different places…but if He is present anywhere in the world, then He is present everywhere. I think it’s important to point out that God is not limited to time and space, so He certainly does not only exist in creation…but to be honest, this is the first time I’ve heard someone say that He might not be omnipresent.

I did a little research and found out that not all Muslims consider God to be omnipresent (but some apparently did). How do you determine what the right thing is to believe (that’s an honest question from me!)?
 
Looks like I was writing my reply when you wrote yours, Sister Amy. Thanks for at least taking a shot at it!
 
mattkubes said:
I’d like an explanation of that too! How is it that an infinite God is not omnipresent? Sure, He may manifest His presence in different ways in different places…but if He is present anywhere in the world, then He is present everywhere. I think it’s important to point out that God is not limited to time and space, so He certainly does not only exist in creation…but to be honest, this is the first time I’ve heard someone say that He might not be omnipresent.
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Actually Muslims say God exists “outside” Creation and is not a part of the creation. In fact, that’s another reasons Muslims reject the idea that God could be incarnate because humans are creation but yet God is Creator. Some attributes of God, however, are “All-Seeing” and “All-Hearing.” God sees, and sees all. We can see… but we aren’t all seeing, in fact our sight is pretty limited.
I did a little research and found out that not all Muslims consider God to be omnipresent (but some apparently did). How do you determine what the right thing is to believe (that’s an honest question from me!)?
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Indeed. In fact, some people make a big deal about this question… but I’m not really interested in that sort of theological debate. What I determine is right to believe is based on who I am learning from and if I trust him. However, even though these are my beliefs there are other beliefs which might be different, and I don’t necessarily think that those beliefs are wrong. Sometimes both have proof. And really, I can accept the fact that we humans might just not understand it all, so I can go through life without having a single irrefutable answer to the question, “Where is Allah?”
 
Sister_Amy said:
Actually Muslims say God exists “outside” Creation and is not a part of the creation. In fact, that’s another reasons Muslims reject the idea that God could be incarnate because humans are creation but yet God is Creator. Some attributes of God, however, are “All-Seeing” and “All-Hearing.” God sees, and sees all. We can see… but we aren’t all seeing, in fact our sight is pretty limited.

Indeed. In fact, some people make a big deal about this question… but I’m not really interested in that sort of theological debate. What I determine is right to believe is based on who I am learning from and if I trust him. However, even though these are my beliefs there are other beliefs which might be different, and I don’t necessarily think that those beliefs are wrong. Sometimes both have proof. And really, I can accept the fact that we humans might just not understand it all, so I can go through life without having a single irrefutable answer to the question, “Where is Allah?”
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How about going through life without having a single irrefutable answer to the question “How are the Three Persons One?”
 
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