Racism, Neo-Nazism, and Catholic Teaching

[abucs]

Do you not get the irony?

(If not, read the comment from the poster who I replied to).

 

[Alex337]

I thought I was clear that being critical is important when studying history. Sorry but that’s just how study works; you need to be able to look at the good and the bad, and be critical. As I said our universities already have plenty of units for western history.

 

[abucs]

Same answer and I am not sure why you are being sorry for stating how study works when no one is contradicting ypu.

 

[Alex337]

abucs:

This all comes out of the Marxist infiltration of our universities that substitute propaganda for education.

Bingo…

So white people have no advantages in society over black people? Do you honestly believe that?

 

[deMontfort]

Flagged for harassment.

 

[PetraG]

Yes, I read the comment:

People seem to forget that same western culture fought slavery but… okay. Let’s just say all westerners are evil and corrupt while simultaneously saying it’s wrong to judge an entire people based on their skin colour, or their place of birth. That rule apparently only applies to non-whites.

I don’t know why our culture can’t accept criticism without getting defensive. Who said “all westerners are evil and corrupt”? Who said that only European culture or the culture of the United States has had serious institutional problems? Why is it we can’t take correction without taking it as a put-down?

Neither the Popes nor the bishops have singled out whites as being the only source of racism, yet here we have a thread in which someone cites the bishops’ statements denouncing racism and somehow asks:

Is there currently such a thing as racism? What about neo-Nazism? Are the bishops addressing a real problem or - to put it in the words of one CAF member - merely “the Easter bunny?”

Huh? Who could possibly answer that with anything other than of course there is currently such a thing as racism?!?

Really? We’re going to sit here and pretend that racism is like a whale-oil lamp, something that can only be found by hunting up a collector? That’s the most ridiculous assertion I have heard in a long time. If someone wants to say that there are ways of combating racism that actually exacerbate it–OK, I can buy that. To say that racism is something that only exists in the fantasy of thin-skinned people looking for something to take offense at, though? No, there is not evidence for that. The bishops are right. Racism is real and racism needs to be recognized if it is to be confronted as the evil that it is.

 

[Alex337]

Do you honestly think white people are given no advantages over black people in our society? Because that’s all white privilege refers to.

 

[abucs]

So white people have no advantages in society over black people? Do you honestly believe that?

First of all before I answer that, could you point to the closest thing I posted which approximates me saying ‘white people have no advantages in society over black people’…

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

So white people have no advantages in society over black people? Do you honestly believe that?

First of all before I answer that, could you point to the closest thing I posted which approximates me saying ‘white people have no advantages in society over black people’…

Claiming that white privilege doesn’t exist. Unless you think it does and I misinterpreted you?

 

[abucs]

I don’t know why our culture can’t accept criticism without getting defensive. Who said “all westerners are evil and corrupt”? Who said that only European culture or the culture of the United States has had serious institutional problems? Why is it we can’t take correction without taking it as a put-down?

The first part about asking who said ‘all westerners are evil and corrupt’ should be addressed to the person who posted it. I you want me to comment on their post then I am guessing they are saying this ‘tongue in cheek’ because so many people have been programmed to be anti western,

To answer your second question I would suggest if you are going to make criticisms then you make them in a way that is succinct and clear instead of emotional and vague.

The first is something that can be discussed, the second is the political correct narrative that rightly creates anger.

So a constructive criticism would be to say laws x,y and z are/were racist because ……
X was racist in his action in doing y because…
x was racist in his speech is saying y because ……

The politically correct religion does not work that way which is why it is not rational. It is the politically correct religion which gets defensive when it is attacked. The logic of politically correct religion looks for disadvantage and then tries to claim racism such as the number of blacks stopped by police. It does not discuss rationally criticisms of its assertions.

 

[abucs]

Claiming that white privilege doesn’t exist. Unless you think it does and I misinterpreted you?

I am saying that ‘white privilege’ is a racist concept created to disparage western civilisation and exclude speech of certain people.

Because ‘white privilege’ is a created concept in order to mask racist behaviour it will include concepts to claim victim status. Because there is a lot of racism and evil intent that goes with this term it is not one I am interested in propagating.

Nowhere there do I get close to saying ‘white people have no advantages in society over black people’.

Now do you want me to answer the question?

 

[Alex337]

Alex337:

Claiming that white privilege doesn’t exist. Unless you think it does and I misinterpreted you?

I am saying that ‘white privilege’ is a racist concept created to disparage western civilisation and exclude speech of certain people.

Because ‘white privilege’ is a created concept in order to mask racist behaviour it will include concepts to claim victim status. Because there is a lot of racism and evil intent that goes with this term it is not one I am interested in propagating.

Nowhere there do I get close to saying ‘white people have no advantages in society over black people’.

Now do you want me to answer the question?

You know that all social concepts are created, right? Or at least identified, which is what white privilege was; it was an identified group of privileges.

Also, black folk are part of western civilisation so I don’t see how pointing out white privilege is disparaging western civilisation. So, do you think white people have no advantages in society over black people?

 

[Alex337]

The politically correct religion does not work that way which is why it is not rational. It is the politically correct religion which gets defensive when it is attacked.

Really? Because I keep seeing the right shouting “cultural marxist!” whenever people say something they disagree with. Even when that something has nothing to do with Marx.

 

[PetraG]

It is the politically correct religion…

Ah! You are referring to political correctness as a religion, not trying to characterize the bishops as politically correct and therefore saying that the Catholic Church is perpetrating an evil by denouncing racism.

Yes, my apologies. When any philosophical school becomes a religion, it is a matter of time before true religion is twisted to fit the philosophy, rather than philosophy conforming itself to the truth.

Yes, even if there is actual institutionally-entrenched injustice towards one group, that does not prevent that group from treating others with unfair bias. Just as people who suffer from disabilities that can be physically measured and documented can excuse their every failure as being due to a truly but not totally disabling condition, just so anyone who suffers real set-backs due to real racism can also blame correctable parts of their own lives on things beyond their control rather than decisions that are within their control.

This is a million miles from asking if racism is even a real thing. If a man in a wheelchair claims he can do nothing because he is in a wheelchair, he may be abdicating his responsibility to do what he can accomplish. That doesn’t mean he’s free to just get up and walk, that he’s imagining all his difficulties.

 

[abucs]

ou know that all social concepts are created, right? Or at least identified, which is what white privilege was; it was an identified group of privileges.

Also, black folk are part of western civilisation so I don’t see how pointing out white privilege is disparaging western civilisation. So, do you think white people have no advantages in society over black people?

Yes all social concepts are either made up or identified. Some like white privilege are manufactured for evil purposes. There are black people who are part of western civilisation just as I am a white guy part of Asian civilisation, Just as Asian civilisation (in my part of the world) has its origin and culture based on mainly on oriental people western civilisation has its origin and culture based mainly on white people.

The criticism of western civilisation is a criticism of the larger white component of western civilisation. It doesn’t criticise Blues, rap, Obama or Black basketball stars. If anything it tries to position these within a racist white culture which is part of the division it promotes.

 

[Alex337]

So… do you think white people have no advantages over black people?

 

[abucs]

Really? Because I keep seeing the right shouting “cultural marxist!” whenever people say something they disagree with. Even when that something has nothing to do with Marx.

Did you look at the videos above of the highest ranking Soviet intelligence officer to defect to the west? His name is Ion Mihai Pacepa and he details the infiltration of destabilising agents and groups into the west. I read his book earlier this year where he detailed everything from the successful slandering of the church, to the Liberation Theology of South America to the anti Israel and US extremism of the middle east

Marxism is based on victim politics. It relies on angering a group of people against another group and convinces them that they have a right to take things off the other group in the name of justice. The original class basis of Marxism has failed. The Soviet agents in universities and media sought to create this victim politics by other divisions such as race, sex and religion. I can give you an example if you want of Soviet Marxist agents creating fake news of black churches being burned to create racial division and present America in a critical light.

 

[abucs]

So… do you think white people have no advantages over black people?

Well we are talking generalities here so of course there will be literally millions of people who are the opposite of the generalities.

If we look at income for example then white people have more income than blacks.
But then Nigerian immigrants have higher incomes than whites.
Asians and certain Jews have higher incomes than whites and Hispanics fall between whites and blacks.

So if we take income as an example and look at the table then yes whites and just about every other group has advantages over blacks generally although as mentioned Nigerian immigrants are closer to the top of the pile above whites.

Of course there are many other ways we can generally compare racial groups. Income is but one and the data says that generally whites have an advantage over blacks.

Including this in white privilege without talking about Asian privilege or Nigerian privilege is going to provoke a backlash.

 

[PetraG]

I think this sums up my thoughts rather well on the idea that neo-Marxism is destroying “the West”; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyaftqCORT4

Also; what people, do they have advantages over black people in our society?

Educated people don’t allow themselves to use words like “trash” to refer to persons of color, but I cannot remember anyone losing their jobs for using the terms “tler trash" or "we trash.” I could probably have typed those terms directly, without getting flagged. Other terms like hillybys, crars,

In other words, if you’re white, it is more likely that you’re going to be blamed because you haven’t figured out how to get in on the privileges. Not everyone does that, but it is a stereotype that is still more or less tolerated.

 

[Alex337]

So, is that a “yes” or a “no” on whether you think white people have no advantages over black people in our society?