Rainbow Sash Movement invading again on Pentecost Sunday 06'

[rlg94086]

Accepted, but I am often guilty of the same.

I think there is a country song that goes something like, “It’s hard to be humble, when you’re perfect in every way.”

I’ve noticed we all tend to get a little too serious and easily upset on this Forum. Your idea of giving it up for Lent is actually something I considered.

God bless,

Robert

2Dcross:

Robert;

Thank you. You are right. I am wrong.

I seem to forget that sometimes an email can come off as sarcastic because there is no tone of voice to support the words.

 

[2Dcross]

rlg94086:

Accepted, but I am often guilty of the same.

I think there is a country song that goes something like, “It’s hard to be humble, when you’re perfect in every way.”

I’ve noticed we all tend to get a little too serious and easily upset on this Forum. Your idea of giving it up for Lent is actually something I considered.

God bless,

Robert

Robert;

HA HA HA Ha! …Almost busted a gut. That was good.

And may God bless you too.

 

[Kendy]

CindyGia:

Since becoming a Catholic, I’ve been to four (4) Holy Thursdays and in each Church I’ve attended Mass over those four years, women’s feet were washed by both Monsignors and priests. I don’t think any women protested to have this done as far as I know. I have read some Vatican II documents that state the Church views all the faithful as “One Body In Christ” - which is why women are no longer required to cover their heads as well. Vatican II sees all the faithful as “One Body In Christ”.

I’m just telling you what I’ve read and why priests wash the feet of women.

Yeah, I didn’t even realize this was an issue. I am always surprised to find out what people consider a crisis on CAF.

Kendy

 

[Sir_Knight]

2Dcross:

This is my first post.

Here is a pretty neat link about the foot washing.

catholic-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?mode=hybrid&t=73

In reference to the Rainbow Movement.

You all seem so versed in scripture and caught up in the Vatican rules and regulations while overlooking simple meaning of our Lord’s one and true command; “Love one another as I have loved you”.

What ever happened to love the sinner hate the sin?

You Christians should be ashamed of yourselves for posting such judgmental statements about anyone during the season Lent.

“Preach the Gospel always. Sometimes using words”?

This is the time to stop pointing out the faults of others and turn inward and repent against our own abominations. It is only then that change will take place. You know? Practice what you preach; “get the board out of your own eye”.

You saints also have sin. Your stain of sin is no different then theirs (the homosexuals and feminists). You bunch of authoritarians. Where is your humility? You are not only attacking them but each other as well. Jesus would have healed them not called them names or gossiped about their wrong doings. He who had no wrong would not have been on a CATHOLIC forum stirring up trouble. Who are you?

Pray for these poor souls who blindly face eternal damnation because they are tempted beyond the means grace given to them. They are HIS lost sheep.

Think of what a horror your life would be if you were the Christian father, mother, sister or brother of a homosexual. This is a very sad situation for these folk.

Shame on you! This is a sin! Go to confession! Why don’t you give up this forum for lent?

1. Christ forgave the sinner AND told them not to commit the sin in the future.
2. The bible commands us to correct others when we see them doing wrong for if we see them sinning and do not try to stop them, we share in their guilt but if we attempt to correct them and they do not listen, we have freed ourselves from such guilt.

 

[trustmc]

2Dcross:

Mike,

“Toungue” should be spelled tongue.

Thanks! I knew it didn’t look right.

“Let him among you without sin cast the first stone” --Jesus

“Your sins are forgiven. Now go and sin no more.”–Jesus

Mike

 

[Lux_et_veritas]

trustmc:

Um, anyway…

We can suggest to our parish priests that they mandate receiving Christ on the toungue only instead of on the hand during the Pentacost mass to prevent activists from abusing the Eucharist by passing it along to the defiant wearing rainbow sashes. I plan on making this suggestion this Sunday.

Mike

It’s a great time to use the valid option of* Intinction*, which must be distributed on the tongue. My parish does this every week.

 

[Elzee]

Elzee:

Why are the rainbow people standing and everyone else is sitting?

Well, wearing a sash is bad enough, but to take the disruption to the height of drastically changing their posture during Mass in a conscious effort to have people focus on them and not the Lord is inexcusable.

 

[Brendan]

2Dcross:

What ever happened to love the sinner hate the sin?

That is exactly what we do.

We both love the sinner and we hate the sin.

Do you do both?

Do you love a homosexual person? I presume so.

And do you hate the sin?

Do you HATE that there is homosexuality in the world.

Do you HATE that persons of the same sex engage in homosexual acts?

We do.

We love the sinner enough to do as Christ did, to help them NOT to sin. To help them sin their sin and turn away from that sin and to Christ.

To say as Christ did " Neither do I condem you, GO AND SIN NO MORE"

 

[2Dcross]

Mike;

You are funny. Nice to see someone take my nasty post with a grain of salt. Thanks cause I learned something and I do appreciate honesty. I will try not to be so critical in the future.

Brendan & Sir Knight;

Yes. I do love a homosexual person. She is my 22-year-old niece.
I pray that she will be given the grace to know the truth however when I bashed her over the head with it she became stand-off-ish.

I now know that this is not the way to handle these people so you can kind of say I am a tad bit seasoned in the area of dealing with homosexuals.

I’m no saint either so who am I to judge.

All I can do is pray and I’ll now ask YOU to pray with me for the conversion of my niece and her Catholic girlfriend. All of you reading this I ask you to pray with me because sometimes I think my prayers are like shooting up blank bullets.

For now I rely completely on trust that God will sooner or later hear me and give my niece truth.

I do detest homosexuality along with many other sins, but I cannot hate the person committing the sin.

If I see one of those Rainbow people in my church will talk to them about not receiving communion, embrace them, love them and teach them. Because there was a time in my life that Mary (Mother of God) did the same for me.

“I once was lost but now I’m found,
Was blind but NOW I see.”

Thanks

 

[Sir_Knight]

2Dcross:

I’m no saint either so who am I to judge.

Through the church guided by the Holy Spirit, God gave us a set of rules to follow. He also tells us in scripture that we are duty bound to correct those who we see violating those rules. What else can I say?

PS: The passage about judging not and we shall not be judged refers to condemning. We are not to condemn others. If we do not condemn others, we will not be condemned and there is a big difference between condemning others because we think we are better and trying to correct them so that they will not be lost in sin.

 

[DILCIA]

Sorry to be dim but what is this rainbow sash thing? As you can see I’m from England. I understand who they are but what actually happens?
Only about 9% of our population goes to church on Sunday ( that’s all denominations) so I don’t think such a movement would happen here though it may do in London.
Our churches don’t really have a lot of money. Our bishop sold his residence which was quite large and moved to a smaller one to save money.

 

[Lux_et_veritas]

DILCIA:

Sorry to be dim but what is this rainbow sash thing? As you can see I’m from England. I understand who they are but what actually happens?

At the Cathedral of St. Paul, people wearing rainbow-colored sashes — considered a political statement in support ofpeople in gay relationships— are refused communion. And the diocesan leader, Archbishop Harry Flynn, now supports a proposed amendment to the Minnesota constitution that would ban not only gay marriage but also many advantages that union brings.

What actually happens?

They draw attention to themselves and their cause, and draw attention for others, away from God, whom should be the very center of the Mass.

 

[Riley259]

Brendan:

That is exactly what we do.

We both love the sinner and we hate the sin.

Do you do both?

Do you love a homosexual person? I presume so.

And do you hate the sin?

Do you HATE that there is homosexuality in the world.

Do you HATE that persons of the same sex engage in homosexual acts?

We do.

We love the sinner enough to do as Christ did, to help them NOT to sin. To help them sin their sin and turn away from that sin and to Christ.

To say as Christ did " Neither do I condem you, GO AND SIN NO MORE"

Good clarification of our obligation to homosexual persons.

 

[Holly3278]

If you ask me, anyone wearing a rainbow sash to a Catholic Church to show support for gay marriage or gay “rights” should first be taken aside and talked to. If they do it again, they should be excommunicated.

 

[mspencer]

I wonder why they don’t simply station laypeople at the door and tell those wearing rainbow sashes that they can’t come into mass?

 

[Brad]

Traditional Ang:

Rily:

Good suggestion.

Make it as succinct and as precise as possible, and make absolutely sure that NOTHING can REASONABLY be construed as a personal attack.

Quote and list the relevant Scriptires,
Quote and list the material from the Catechism, and
Quote and list the elevent encyclicals.

Remind them that “Liberation of the Captives” was the “Liberation of the Captives” from their CAPTIVITY to the Devil and that the “setting at liberty of those who are oppressed” is the Liberation from the Oppression of SIN, and that they can’t be truly free unless they allow themselves to be free from their SIN, which separates them from God.

And, Inform them about Courage Apostalate ( couragerc.net/ ) which is helping gay men to lead chaste lives, free from the sin of homosexuality, united to God.

In Christ, Michael

This is presuming they would be open to truth. I would support this idea but I think for a different motive. The Truth of Jesus Christ neutralizes the lies of satan. This Truth would lessen the harm that these lies could do. Just be prepared for much condemnation, wailing, and shrieking in return. Another good avenue to this end would be to have Eucharistic Adoration and Benediction prior to mass and following mass.

 

[Brad]

contemplative:

I’m wondering how long it will be before a group of feminist/women forms and chooses Holy Thursday to protest against the all male priesthood. I sense there are women on the edge of doing this now. Think about the trouble some already cause about the washing of the feet on Holy Thursday. Use your imagination…any group could form and protest in similar ways as the rainbow sash movement…who is to stop organized protesting in the Church? Is there no legal way to stop this sort of protesting in our Church?

The washing of the feet of females IS a protest against the all male priesthood. Already here folks. What are we doing about it?

 

[Brad]

"On our Journey to Pentecost Sunday the Rainbow Sash Movement calls on all people of good will to begin preparation for their participation in this celebration of the Holy Eucharist by wearing the Rainbow Sash on Pentecost Sunday June 4, 2006. We invite all people of good will to join us. Also we invite other faith communities to wear the Rainbow Sash in their respective houses of worship as a symbol of solidarity that we all belong to the “People of God”. "

In response, I quote Archbishop Chaput:

“When people say, ‘We are the Church’, of course that’s true. We’re all the Church, because the Church is the community of the faithful. But a ‘community of the faithful’ implies that there’s someone and something we have the duty to be faithful to. We don’t invent the Catholic Faith, nor do we own it. We receive it, we live it in community, we witness it to others, and we pass it on fully-if we’re good stewards-to our children”

• Crisis, January, 2006.

 

[Marilena]

I don’t know if they plan on wearing these sashes in Canadian churches, but I sure hope not for anywhere in the world!!! Why would they even do such a thing? Why?
They have to respect peoples beliefs! This is absolute
disrespect!

 

[Brad]

CindyGia:

Since becoming a Catholic, I’ve been to four (4) Holy Thursdays and in each Church I’ve attended Mass over those four years, women’s feet were washed by both Monsignors and priests. I don’t think any women protested to have this done as far as I know. I have read some Vatican II documents that state the Church views all the faithful as “One Body In Christ” - which is why women are no longer required to cover their heads as well. Vatican II sees all the faithful as “One Body In Christ”.

I’m just telling you what I’ve read and why priests wash the feet of women.

The problem is that Jesus washed the feet of his Apostles on Holy Thursday, who were men and who were ordained. Women did not have their feet washed, are not men, and are incapable of being ordained.

Mere presence at the holy sacrifice of the Mass, in direct communion of the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of God Himself, is adequate representation and inclusion for any poor sinful soul, man or woman. If this is not enough for us then nothing will be.

If these same priests were washing the infected and sore feet of mothers of 12 in 3rd world countries - no problem.