Rainbow Sash Movement invading again on Pentecost Sunday 06'

[Brad]

CindyGia:

Your beef isn’t with me friend - it’s with the Church.
I’m just telling you all that I’ve witnessed and read.

It clearly said in the Vatican II documents that all the faithful of the Church are “One Body In Christ” - which again I say is the reason why women are no longer required to wear head coverings. I believe the Church no longer wishes to segregate women and treat them as unequal to men. This alone would cause quite an upset in the Church of today. Today’s woman just wouldn’t stand for being treated in such a way. The Church is well aware of it. This is also the reason for altar girls.

I’m not a feminist in the least, and I wish the Church would go back to it’s old traditions of women covering their heads and altar boys alone - but I am just telling you once again what I’ve read and have seen in and around my area in different parishes. The Church in itself has bowed down to moderism and feminism.

I’m confused. Are you saying that the Church, prior to Vatican II, taught that women are inferior to men and that She should still teach that? Are you saying that the Church, prior to Vatican II, did not teach that the faithful are the Body of Christ?

These would be incorrect assertions. If you are saying something else, please clarify.

 

[Brad]

CindyGia:

You know, and I was just thinking. Our Lord came as a Servant to mankind, right?

Remember He said, (Mark 9:35) And he sat down and called the twelve; and he said to them, “If any one would be first, he must be last of all and **servant of all.” **

Jesus doesn’t say “servant to only men”.

And (Galatians 5:13) “For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love be servants of one another.”

Jesus came and was a Servant to ALL of us, not just men - which is why, I believe, women are now included in the washing of feet.

But once again, this is only my opinion.

Priests (and other Christians) CAN wash the feet of women. They just cannot (or should not) do it during the Holy Thursday liturgy.

Your justification of doing this presents another problem in the understanding of the priesthood that exists in the Church in America and Europe. The Sacred Liturgy is not an extension of the social services that any average Christian may engage in. It is the framework through which sacramental grace (via a priest ordered towards Christ) is made available to the faithful so that they may bring Christ to the world through their actions. One is not the other. The Mass is adequate in and of itself. Social services are inadequate without the Mass.

Don’t bring the kitchen sink into the Mass. Go to Mass and then wash the dishes in the sink (men or women of course).

 

[Angels_Watchin]

2Dcross:

Yes. I do love a homosexual person. She is my 22-year-old niece.
I pray that she will be given the grace to know the truth however when I bashed her over the head with it she became stand-off-ish.

I’ve posted this before, but here is a wonderful cd of information for people suffering from same sex attraction (and for those who have someone in their family or a friend)by a deacon and doctor.
It is wonderful, true and kind and scientifically accurate.

PLEASE get a copy, listen and then share it with your niece.

saintjoe.com/p/prod_desc.pl?id=915

We will keep you both (all) in our prayers,
Blessings,
Angel

 

[blessedtoo]

Elzee:

Well, wearing a sash is bad enough, but to take the disruption to the height of drastically changing their posture during Mass in a conscious effort to have people focus on them and not the Lord is inexcusable.

:clapping:

 

[blessedtoo]

For me, the reason this issue and alot of the issues regarding homosexuality and it’s “expression” within our Church, is that I don’t believe I can depend on our clergy to defend Church doctrine. When I read in these forums about the truly shocking dissent that goes on in Parishes across this country (and I won’t even talk about our neighbors to the north), it breaks my heart. If homosexual groups wanted to storm the gates of the Church on Pentecost Sunday wearing liederhosen(?), I would not care if I knew in my heart that our Priests would LOVINGLY do the right thing.

 

[cargopilot]

As an usher and communion minister, what are we to do when faced with rainbow sashers?

As an usher, we are permitted to mention the ringing and use of a cell phone to an offending parishioner, due to the distraction it causes during mass. Also, as a communion minister, we are permitted to refuse Holy communion to a chewing gum-smacker. These two thoughtless infractions seem to pale in comparison to an intentional outright public protest of the Church and all her teachings. By the same token, the resulting scene caused by admonishment of the offender bent on causing a scene during Mass would only serve to increase the disruption.

What are we lay people serving in these ministries supposed to do when face to face with a sasher? What do other ushers and EMHC’s plan to do if faced with this problem? Have any Bishops and/or Priests offered any recommendations? A decision of this magnitude is way above my pay-grade as an usher or EMHC, but I want to be prepared to respond properly AND charitably, just in case.

 

[Marauder]

cargopilot:

What are we lay people serving in these ministries supposed to do when face to face with a sasher? What do other ushers and EMHC’s plan to do if faced with this problem? Have any Bishops and/or Priests offered any recommendations? A decision of this magnitude is way above my pay-grade as an usher or EMHC, but I want to be prepared to respond properly AND charitably, just in case.

As an EMHC the choice is not yours to make in this situation. It is up to the pastor and/or Bishop. The best thing to do would be to ask your pastor or at least the priest celebrating the Mass before Mass.

I know at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception they tell all the people serving not to serve to people wearing the sashes.

In situations other then this, if there is a doubt refer the person to the priest’s line. They are the one that is supposed to make the ultimate call.

 

[cargopilot]

Marauder:

As an EMHC the choice is not yours to make in this situation. It is up to the pastor and/or Bishop. The best thing to do would be to ask your pastor or at least the priest celebrating the Mass before Mass.

I know at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception they tell all the people serving not to serve to people wearing the sashes.

In situations other then this, if there is a doubt refer the person to the priest’s line. They are the one that is supposed to make the ultimate call.

I agree that the priest would be the best one to make the call, and that it would not be the place of the EMHC to refuse any communicant. If he isn’t available to ask what to do prior to Mass, would it be acceptable to refer the sash-wearer to his line, without causing too much of a disruption, and what would you say?

 

[bones_IV]

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[Catholic29]

They will be invading the Cathedral in St. Paul Minnesota again with a vengeance this year I am certain.

But I am just grateful to the Lord that Archbishop Harry Flynn has come to his senses in their regard, and will again be denying them the Eucharist if they come to Mass displaying the sash.

 

[Marauder]

cargopilot:

I agree that the priest would be the best one to make the call, and that it would not be the place of the EMHC to refuse any communicant. If he isn’t available to ask what to do prior to Mass, would it be acceptable to refer the sash-wearer to his line, without causing too much of a disruption, and what would you say?

The best way would be to ask before Mass. If that couldn’t happen, then upon seeing people in the pews wearing the sash, ask the priest/deacon when he hands you the Eucharist. In the worse case scenario just tell the person, “I’m sorry sir, I am not sure whether I am allowed to serve you or not, could you please proceed to the priest’s line?”

Of course this only applies to someone you know is openly and without a doubt doing something wrong (i.e. making a political statement at Mass by wearing that sash, John Kerry coming to you in your communion line, etc.) You aren’t supposed to do this say in the case of someone you know is committing adultery or something like that.

Honestly I doubt it would be a problem. Most of the time the people doing this want to make as big a statement as possible and go directly to the priest’s line anyway since that places them right up front.