RE: Gay couple - Diocese of Orange(Bishop Brown) rejects oath request

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Diocese Rejects Oath Request
(by) **BRIAN ****MARTINEZ **The Orange County Register
**Horan dismissed that request, saying the pope approved of Brown’s appointment and that special-interest groups should not try to pressure Brown. **
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The bishop has no mouth, only mouthpieces. First it was Bishop Soto, now it is Superintendent of Schools Horan.

Interesting what Horan considers “special- interest groups” – heterosexual parents who send their kids to Catholic Schools. What a disgusting diocese Bishop Brown is creating. Life is difficult enough without having these problems dumped in our laps. What a weasel Brown is!

The pope appointed other bishops who performed homosexual acts on students and or moved homosexual abusing priest around from diocese to diocese. I guess Horan thinks that once a bishop is appointed he can do whatever he wants. That has to say something about the mind-set of the person in charge of Catholic education in Orange County, CA.
 
K2, behaving sanctimoniously and arrogantly towards those you disagree with is so uncharitable. I hope you think about your attitude before communion tomorrow.
 
**Please write to the bishop and encourage him to stand up for the church teachings!:yup: **
**His Excellency Tod D. Brown

Bishop of the Diocese of Orange **

**Marywood Center **

**2811 Villareal Drive **

Orange, CA 92867

Telephone: (714) 282-3000

**E-mail: ****info@rcbo.org**
 
St.Claire said:
**Please write to the bishop and encourage him to stand up for the church teachings!:yup: **

**His Excellency Tod D. Brown **

**Bishop of the Diocese of Orange **

**Marywood Center **

**2811 Villareal Drive **

Orange, CA 92867

Telephone: (714) 282-3000

**E-mail: ****info@rcbo.org**
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I have. Thank you.
 
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TPJCatholic:
Interesting.
90-95% of all Catechists are women!
Most DRE’s are women.
Most sacramental coordinators are women.
Most Liturgical directors are women.
A majority of school principals are women.
Girls now comprise a significant percent of altar server roles.
The majority of parish bound lay ministries are run by women.
Choirs have a majority of women and are quite often lead by women.
Readers are often women.
Parish managers are often women.
College professorships have a signicant number of women.
The UCCB now has a significant number of women in lower and upper positions.
The head of the council on sex abuse crisis is a woman.
The Vatican has now placed women in roles of authority.
on
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on
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The, of course, the most Holy person to ever live, other then Jesus…was…you guessed it a WOMAN.
The one person the Church reveres the most after Christ…is…
a WOMAN!
Sure–women have no role in the Church.
95% of all critical lay roles in parish offices are women
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Don’t be so touchy. I stand by my statement. I was just needling Katherine2, not denigrating the undeniable contribution of women.
 
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bones_IV:
Another note, I’ve qouted Matthew 7:13-14 and I’ll say it again. “13 Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate that is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.” The church fathers even say that more people will end up in hell then in heaven."

Padre Pio “The Rosary is the weapon.”
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:angel1: Thank you!!! I really needed to hear(read) that right now.
 
Before fussing at other people, at least proofread your own post.
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katherine2:
sweetheart, how are you going to complain to the pope about two guys who are not straight when you can’t even spell it correctly?
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Should read:

weetheart, how are you going to complain to the [P]ope about two guys who are not straight when you can’t even spell correctly?
 
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TPJCatholic:
Interesting.

90-95% of all Catechists are women!

Most DRE’s are women.

Most sacramental coordinators are women.

Most Liturgical directors are women.

A majority of school principals are women.

Girls now comprise a significant percent of altar server roles.

The majority of parish bound lay ministries are run by women.

Choirs have a majority of women and are quite often lead by women.

Readers are often women.

Parish managers are often women.

College professorships have a signicant number of women.

The UCCB now has a significant number of women in lower and upper positions.

The head of the council on sex abuse crisis is a woman.

The Vatican has now placed women in roles of authority.

on

and

on

and

on

The, of course, the most Holy person to ever live, other then Jesus…was…you guessed it a WOMAN.

The one person the Church reveres the most after Christ…is…
a WOMAN!

Sure–women have no role in the Church.

95% of all critical lay roles in parish offices are women
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:clapping:

Now who could argue with that? :whistle:
 
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fix:
No surprise here. Bishops like this are well known.
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Yes, and especially this one, Bishop Tod Brown. He is not going to do anything. If he did he would have to retract his memo to “All Priests” in 2000 wherein he states that he agrees with an article in which Fr. Gerald Coleman asserts that:

"Some homosexual persons have shown that it is possible to enter into long-term, committed and loving relationships, named by certain segments of our society as domestic partnerships.

I see no moral reason why civil law could not in some fashion recognize these faithful and loving unions with clear and specified benefits. These unions would then be recognized by society as sustaining an important status deserving our respect and protection."
 
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katherine2:
sweetheart, how are you going to complain to the pope about two guys who are not straight when you can’t even spell it correctly? 😃
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Addressing a person, a fellow member of The Mystical Body of Christ, as “sweetheart” while deriding the person for some supposed spelling error is demeaning, insulting, unattractive and shows disrespect for the the entire Body of Christ.
 
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Unless they are groups that promote homosexual conduct.
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Groups that promote homosexual conduct do not neet to pressure the Bishop. He has already indicated by implication that he approves of such groups.
 
God saves:
Groups that promote homosexual conduct do not neet to pressure the Bishop. He has already indicated by implication that he approves of such groups.
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If we had been hearing from the pulpit that “Sodomy is one of the four great sins that cries out to heaven for vengeance” we wouldn’t be in this mess.
 
January 14, 2005

REGION & STATE

Enrollment of Gays’ Sons Prompts a Plea to Bishop
· A group opposed to the pair attending Catholic school asks the O.C. prelate for (name removed by moderator)ut.

By Joel Rubin, Times Staff Writer

**A group of Orange County parishioners and parents angered that a gay couple have been allowed to enroll their two boys in a Roman Catholic diocese school have appealed to Bishop Tod D. Brown, requesting that he clarify the diocese’s stance on homosexuality and domestic partnership.

In a letter sent Thursday, Michael J. Sundstedt, a lawyer representing the group, requested that Brown disseminate to the Costa Mesa**** parish recent writings by Pope John Paul II in which the pontiff condemns domestic partnership and adoption by same-sex couples.

“This parish has virtually no idea what the church’s teachings are on these issues,” Sundstedt said in an interview.

The attorney said many local Catholics who believe in strict adherence to Vatican**** teachings had been distrustful of Brown since he sent a memo in 2000 to his priests. In it he endorsed the writings of a Catholic theologian who said there was no moral problem with civil law recognizing same-sex unions if they were not equated with marriage.

Brown could not be reached for comment, but Auxiliary Bishop Jaime Soto dismissed the idea that the diocese needed to clarify its position on same-sex marriages.

“Asking for clarifications assumes that we have not been clear in the past,” he said. “I think we’ve been very clear.”

The letter stems from a dispute at St. John the Baptist School****, where the boys attend kindergarten. Eighteen people signed a letter last month demanding that the school accept only families that sign a pledge to live by Catholic doctrine.

School and church officials rejected the demand, saying the children had been baptized and were entitled to a Catholic education regardless of their parents’ sexual orientation.

Sundstedt declined to comment on what steps the parents and parishioners would take next if Brown did not offer an adequate response. In earlier conversations, Sundstedt said the group would ask Vatican authorities to intervene.**
 
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katherine2:
sweetheart, how are you going to complain to the pope about two guys who are not straight when you can’t even spell it correctly? 😃
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**Katherine2, **
**Aren’t you a grandmother? I’m still pretty new to this Forum stuff but I’ve noticed the things you post and I wonder about your maturity level. **
**I would hate to see someone who speaks English as a second language try to post something that they truly believed in and then only to have someone like you shoot them down for a minor thing like a misspelling.:tsktsk: **
Do you really think that the Holy Father would not hear a concern or complaint because the person couldn’t spell correctly?
Shame on you Grandma.
 
An awful lot of shouting going on in this thread. Calm down, brethren.

The Church has made saints out of so many children from households where sin loomed large - prostitution, organized crime, and worse. I would hate to see these children lost because their parents or guardians were unable to sign a required statement.

On the other hand, I now see that your question refers to a “request.” If it is simply an appeal to parents, not a requirement, I have no problem with it. Such an appeal would imply correctly that many could not sign it in good conscience.
 
Silenced priest warns of gay crisis
November 15, 2004

By Julia Duin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Starting today, 290 of the nation’s Catholic bishops will meet at the Capitol Hyatt for their yearly business meeting and to tie up loose ends on the massive sexual-abuse crisis that has shaken the U.S. Catholic Church to its core in the past two years.

Although it’s been less than a year since the church revealed that there were 10,667 cases of abuse committed by 4,392 priests in a 50-year period, the message at the meeting will be that the crisis is under control.

But it’s far from over, says a local Catholic priest who says the true source of the crisis is a priesthood that is “honeycombed” with homosexual clerics, especially in the Diocese of Arlington.

However, attempts by the Rev. James Haley, 48, to persuade his bishop of the problem have backfired. After hearing from the priest about numerous instances of homosexual activity among diocesan clergy, Arlington Bishop Paul Loverde ordered the priest silenced Oct. 23, 2001. This “precept of silence” — usually only employed during church trial proceedings — is rarely used to silence a whistleblower…

You can continue reading this by clicking on the link below:

** **http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041115-124042-2061r.htm

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That link doesn’t work for me.

Is there some mention of the Diocese of Orange controversy in the article, and if so why not quote that part?
 
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bones_IV:
Folks, I don’t mean to sound like a prophet of doom, but I have the feeling that one day it will be against the law to be catholic. We haven’t seen anything yet. Its going to get worse before it gets better.

Seems we are headed in that direction. It has happened many times in history. Persecutions of Christians is presently world wide and the Roman Catholic Church lives an underground existance in China. It is against the law to speak the Biblical truth of homosexual acts in Canada, and four Christians were recently arrested and charged with multiple felonies in the U.S. for reading Bible passages dealing with homosexuality outside a homosexual conference. Never take your freedom to worship as a Catholic for granted. Come soon Lord Jesus.

Padre Pio “The Rosary is the weapon.”
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Brad:
I like the part demanding the Bishop adhere to Papal teachings. Now that he has refused, start the process with the Papal Nuncio to the Vatican. You have outright dissent going on here. Why would anyone refuse such a request when they are under the Bishop of Rome? We need to clarify who really is and who isn’t so we can tell where the Church boundaries are.
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Why would anyone refuse such a request when they are under the Bishop of Rome? Maybe because they do not agree with the infallable teachings of the Bishop of Rome? Bingo.

God saves
 
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