Redeeming Qualities in Same-Sex Relationships

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I am seriously conflicted here. Now that everything is “out in the open,” why are there still so much debate on this subject? Why are their scars the worst?

Many classes of immigrants were driven underground but through hard work and faith survived and thrived. I feel the same can be especially said for the African American community. The same with women’s suffrage. The same with the Jewish population during WWII.

Please help me understand this, because I simply do not.
You dont see the scars on the African American community? You dont see the double standards for women? Again, I can write a book but I really recommend the velvet rage. The pain of being told you are evil, you are never allowed to love, and you are unloveable produces negative consequences. Some of the negative consequences can seem positive(many gay men are obsessed with work and reach of the career ladders etc) but this is just a manifestation of pain.
 
And Christians in the middle east today…
The Christian community in the middle east still has the reaffirmation of their own group. A gay child grows alone with no group or understanding…with no tribe to call their own. Just pain and rejection…
 
The Christian community in the middle east still has the reaffirmation of their own group. A gay child grows alone with no group or understanding…with no tribe to call their own. Just pain and rejection…
I totally disagree. I have not seen any peer reviewed studies about gay children growing up alone or with a lack of understanding.

Now, if you want to talk about autistic kids, then you have something there. They are THEE MOST bullied children belonging to a protected class in the United States. Why? Because of their huge social skill deficits. They truly are isolated for being weird, crazy, and untouchable. I have a son going through this.

I know I am going to take major heat for this second statement, and ban me if you like, but there is a close member of my DHs family who can throw on the charm or start crying tears of injustice at the snap of a finger. He’s not the only one I’ve seen do it because we have gone to parties and clubs and witnessed the same thing. He never lacked friends growing up, and apparently has a wonderfully great time traveling the world.

OTOH, my son comes home from school most days crying for being told he is mean and a jerk when he asks about another kid’s behavior he doesn’t understand (they see it as tattling, but it isn’t).

Before someone tries to refute that autistic kids could form their own little group and band together. Well, anyone who has studied autism knows that things don’t work that way. It is a very, very big spectrum of traits. Putting them together in a group without several social workers to help them understand how to introduce yourself, how to have a back and forth conversation, to name a couple would be a recipe for disaster. I’ve seen the heartbreak.

I’m sorry if gay kids still feel this way, I can just tell you that has not been the case where I live. The autism case is far more profound.
 
I totally disagree. I have not seen any peer reviewed studies about gay children growing up alone or with a lack of understanding.

Now, if you want to talk about autistic kids, then you have something there. They are THEE MOST bullied children belonging to a protected class in the United States. Why? Because of their huge social skill deficits. They truly are isolated for being weird, crazy, and untouchable. I have a son going through this.

I know I am going to take major heat for this second statement, and ban me if you like, but there is a close member of my DHs family who can throw on the charm or start crying tears of injustice at the snap of a finger. He’s not the only one I’ve seen do it because we have gone to parties and clubs and witnessed the same thing. He never lacked friends growing up, and apparently has a wonderfully great time traveling the world.

OTOH, my son comes home from school most days crying for being told he is mean and a jerk when he asks about another kid’s behavior he doesn’t understand (they see it as tattling, but it isn’t).

Before someone tries to refute that autistic kids could form their own little group and band together. Well, anyone who has studied autism knows that things don’t work that way. It is a very, very big spectrum of traits. Putting them together in a group without several social workers to help them understand how to introduce yourself, how to have a back and forth conversation, to name a couple would be a recipe for disaster. I’ve seen the heartbreak.

I’m sorry if gay kids still feel this way, I can just tell you that has not been the case where I live. The autism case is far more profound.
Domer I am sorry and empathize with your son. I can tell you that many many gay boys and girls go through the same situations. As an educator, I see it on a constant basis and it is heart breaking. I hope your compassion can allow you to see the suffering in other minority communities as well. It isn’t easy not being part of the majority and you know that first hand.

nobullying.com/bullied-for-being-gay/
here is one link of many with information
 
The Christian community in the middle east still has the reaffirmation of their own group. A gay child grows alone with no group or understanding…with no tribe to call their own. Just pain and rejection…
No sorry, that’s a major generalisation on your part.

I know plenty of gay children/teens who were not as you say they were.

I’m sure it does happen, but it happens to other groups also.
 
Curious that you are at such a site. Read the velvet rage if you are really interested in learning the scars gay males have to deal with.
I posted two articles so that I would appear fair and impartial. While I would like to, I know I need to do the most advocacy for my son. But thank you.
 
No sorry, that’s a major generalisation on your part.

I know plenty of gay children/teens who were not as you say they were.

I’m sure it does happen, but it happens to other groups also.
When did I deny that it happens to others? Also, your select experiences don’t equate to reality.

cdc.gov/lgbthealth/youth.htm

Experiences with Violence
Negative attitudes toward lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) people put these youth at increased risk for experiences with violence, compared with other students.1 Violence can include behaviors such as bullying, teasing, harassment, physical assault, and suicide-related behaviors.
According to data from Youth Risk Behavior Surveys (YRBS) conducted during 2001‒2009 in seven states and six large urban school districts, the percentage of LGB students (across the sites) who were threatened or injured with a weapon on school property in the prior year ranged from 12% to 28%. In addition, across the sites―
19% to 29% of gay and lesbian students and 18% to 28% of bisexual students experienced dating violence in the prior year.
14% to 31% of gay and lesbian students and 17% to 32% of bisexual students had been forced to have sexual intercourse at some point in their lives.2
LGBTQ youth are also at increased risk for suicidal thoughts and behaviors, suicide attempts, and suicide. A nationally representative study of adolescents in grades 7–12 found that lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth were more than twice as likely to have attempted suicide as their heterosexual peers.3 More studies are needed to better understand the risks for suicide among transgender youth. However, one study with 55 transgender youth found that about 25% reported suicide attempts.4
 
Domer I am sorry and empathize with your son. I can tell you that many many gay boys and girls go through the same situations. As an educator, I see it on a constant basis and it is heart breaking. I hope your compassion can allow you to see the suffering in other minority communities as well. It isn’t easy not being part of the majority and you know that first hand.

nobullying.com/bullied-for-being-gay/
here is one link of many with information
Thank you. I appreciate the kind words. But I try to advocate for any child ( my own obviously included) being isolated or rejected. I will check out your source for a talk I am giving about invisible disabilities.
 
When did I deny that it happens to others? Also, your select experiences don’t equate to reality.

cdc.gov/lgbthealth/youth.htm

Experiences with Violence
Negative attitudes toward lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) people put these youth at increased risk for experiences with violence, compared with other students.1 Violence can include behaviors such as bullying, teasing, harassment, physical assault, and suicide-related behaviors.
According to data from Youth Risk Behavior Surveys (YRBS) conducted during 2001‒2009 in seven states and six large urban school districts, the percentage of LGB students (across the sites) who were threatened or injured with a weapon on school property in the prior year ranged from 12% to 28%. In addition, across the sites―
19% to 29% of gay and lesbian students and 18% to 28% of bisexual students experienced dating violence in the prior year.
14% to 31% of gay and lesbian students and 17% to 32% of bisexual students had been forced to have sexual intercourse at some point in their lives.2
LGBTQ youth are also at increased risk for suicidal thoughts and behaviors, suicide attempts, and suicide. A nationally representative study of adolescents in grades 7–12 found that lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth were more than twice as likely to have attempted suicide as their heterosexual peers.3 More studies are needed to better understand the risks for suicide among transgender youth. However, one study with 55 transgender youth found that about 25% reported suicide attempts.4
You said “A gay child grows alone with no group or understanding…with no tribe to call their own. Just pain and rejection”.

Is this all of them or just the stats you have quoted?

That’s what I meant by generalisation.
 
Thank you. I appreciate the kind words. But I try to advocate for any child ( my own obviously included) being isolated or rejected. I will check out your source for a talk I am giving about invisible disabilities.
Here is another one. cdc.gov/lgbthealth/youth.htm

Your experience brings me back to my college years. A few guys with autism always tried to join my fraternity. Many of fraternity brothers were not very nice and I always put them in their place but more importantly I did create friendships with them and it was great. I love kindness and really wish I could outreach to all those that society rejects. I really wish nothing but the best for you and your son. May God bless you and him. Thank you.
 
Thank you. I appreciate the kind words. But I try to advocate for any child ( my own obviously included) being isolated or rejected. I will check out your source for a talk I am giving about invisible disabilities.
Praying for you and your son also, 1990.

May God bless and protect through the intercession of Our Lady.
 
All unsafe sex can spread illness. The act of sex doesnt cause the illness. If I am a gay male and have sex with another male and we are both clean and just sleep with each other, we will never be sick. Bad logical conclusion on your part.
Just like your views on Catholic Church teachings are severely flawed, your views on this are also horribly flawed. You need to take a good look at the facts! From the CDC;
Gay and bisexual men account for over half of the 1.1 million people living with HIV in the U.S. and two thirds of all new HIV infections each year. In 2012, 75% of the reported syphilis cases were among men who have sex with men. The data indicates that rates of HIV infection among gay men and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are more than 44 times higher than rates among heterosexual men and more than 40 times higher than women. Rates of syphilis, an STD that can facilitate HIV infection and, if left untreated, may lead to sight loss and severe damage to the nervous system, are reported to be more than 46 times higher among gay men and other MSM than among heterosexual men and more than 71 times higher than among women.
Add to that the fact that gay people—especially gay men—are disproportionately affected by depression compared to the general population. Higher suicide rates are also reported among the LGBT community.

Peace, Mark
 
Just like your views on Catholic Church teachings are severely flawed, your views on this are also horribly flawed. You need to take a good look at the facts! From the CDC;

Add to that the fact that gay people—especially gay men—are disproportionately affected by depression compared to the general population. Higher suicide rates are also reported among the LGBT community.

Peace, Mark
Suicide rates because of mistreatment of society and no if two clean gay men are in a committed relationship, they cannot get sick, period. You are just twisting myths with facts. I In addition, if protection is used then they really can’t get sick but I guess you think two gay men can’t be faithful to one another?
 
…if two clean gay men are in a committed relationship, they cannot get sick, period. You are just twisting myths with facts. I In addition, if protection is used then they really can’t get sick but I guess you think two gay men can’t be faithful to one another?
But for some reason - I don’t know what it is - gay men, in the main, have been less inclined to choose “committed relationships”, favouring more “open relationships”. And to say that that is simply because SSM hasn’t existed is to pass judgement on the nature (depth? / quality?) of relationships gay men (in the main) have been forming.

Yes, monogamy would greatly reduce STDs, but monogamy has not been popular amongst gay men.
 
Here is another one. cdc.gov/lgbthealth/youth.htm

Your experience brings me back to my college years. A few guys with autism always tried to join my fraternity. Many of fraternity brothers were not very nice and I always put them in their place but more importantly I did create friendships with them and it was great. I love kindness and really wish I could outreach to all those that society rejects. I really wish nothing but the best for you and your son. May God bless you and him. Thank you.
Thank you and God bless. This was a very kind post you sent to me. It’s tough having a son who received death threats in second and fourth grade because he was wired differently and could not understand. In our case, we always kept him in social skills classes or isolated from the hateness. I’ll admit, I wish the autism movement could educate and advocate like the LGBTQ movement. We’re not even close, and we get hurts every day.

Once again, thank you.
 
But for some reason - I don’t know what it is - gay men, in the main, have been less inclined to choose “committed relationships”, favouring more “open relationships”. And to say that that is simply because SSM hasn’t existed is to pass judgement on the nature (depth? / quality?) of relationships gay men (in the main) have been forming.

Yes, monogamy would greatly reduce STDs, but monogamy has not been popular amongst gay men.
Ray, I think you are quite right. See this link:

sfgate.com/lgbt/article/Many-gay-couples-negotiate-open-relationships-3241624.php

I hope it clarifies some information. Blessings.
 
Ray, I think you are quite right. See this link:

sfgate.com/lgbt/article/Many-gay-couples-negotiate-open-relationships-3241624.php

I hope it clarifies some information. Blessings.
Interesting. Here is a quote:

*“I think it’s quite natural for men to want to continue to have an active and varied sex life,” said 50-year-old technology consultant Dean Allemang from Oakland, who just ended a 13-year-open relationship and has begun another with a new boyfriend.

“I don’t own my lover, and I don’t own his body,” he said. “I think it’s weird to ask someone you love to give up that part of their life. I would never do it.”"*

I think this would be a very infrequently encountered perspective in society at large, but the researcher in your article suggests it is a great deal more prevalent amongst gay men.
 
Interesting. Here is a quote:

*“I think it’s quite natural for men to want to continue to have an active and varied sex life,” said 50-year-old technology consultant Dean Allemang from Oakland, who just ended a 13-year-open relationship and has begun another with a new boyfriend.

“I don’t own my lover, and I don’t own his body,” he said. “I think it’s weird to ask someone you love to give up that part of their life. I would never do it.”"*

I think this would be a very infrequently encountered perspective in society at large, but the researcher in your article suggests it is a great deal more prevalent amongst gay men.
Again, if you are interested in knowing why read the velvet rage. Yes, some gay men engage in multiple sex partners but guess who else does…/lots of straight men! They may have wives but the rate of infidelity in through the roof in this country, so please spare me the notion that only gay men have multiple partners.
 
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