Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

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I don’t think a growing Muslim population in America or any Western country is a good thing.
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
The Obama administration policy has been a failure. I’m not suggesting the Trump policy is the solution, but saying the way we get now is working is inaccurate from my perspective given the number of terror attacks we have suffered over the past several years.

Since the previous policy has failed us and a change in how we vet is needed, I’d like suggestions on how we can improve that process. Until then, I’m not willing to universally condemn the action of the Trump administration here until I know more.
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Considering that most of the 9/11 attackers were from Saudi Arabia, isn’t it odd that Mr. Trump’s executive order does not ban people from Saudi Arabia. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that Mr. Trump has business interests in Saudi Arabia.
 
Right - if the Pope could vet me I doubt I would be admitted into a Catholic Church. 😃 He has made that pretty clear too, over and over and over. Enough on that.

I am in support of more extensive vetting from countries who have known, established communities of Islamic terrorism. I am ok with temporary bans while new procedures are put in place. But there are many legitimate travellers from these countries, and, as I understand it, this is accounted for by allowing those with green cards, visas, etc. But implementing this order will create confusion in the short term. I want Trump to be able to do what he wants. He has to be responsible about implementing this, tweaking it. I have noticed that he backtracks, fixes things very quickly. Mexican president, waterboarding. Almost as quickly as Trump realizes he has stepped in it, he fixes it. We’ll see.
 
Thorolfr said:
Considering that most of the 9/11 attackers were from Saudi Arabia, isn’t it odd that Mr. Trump’s executive order does not ban people from Saudi Arabia. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that Mr. Trump has business interests in Saudi Arabia.
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Good point. Why is Saudi Arabia conspicuously absent from the list of countries on which the ban is being imposed? Could business and politics be rearing their ugly head once again?
 
Stop letting them in ! Check the current Muslim population of European cities like Marseilles, Birmingham, Rotterdam, Brussels. Malmo, etc. Perhaps you see no danger in that, but I think it’s terrifying. People from places like Somalia, Sudan, Libya, etc are culturally incompatible to Americans.
 
meltzerboy said:
I partially agree with your statement. Surely vetting is not being against people, but limiting all of them by country of origin and thus probable religion, on the basis of assuming some are terrorists is, in my view, being against those in dire need of refuge.
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I think we could justify not allowing any of these people on the mere fact we are at war with their countries. Would anyone be outraged if during WWII we had not allowed Japanese or Germans to enter the US? In fact I wonder what the policy was?

I think we are at war with all of these countries because we have been carrying out military action against them. We don’t have declarations of war, but apparently that is an anachronism. Personally I’m against our never ending imperial military adventures but given their reality I think that alone justifies a ban.
 
meltzerboy said:
Good point. Why is Saudi Arabia conspicuously absent from the list of countries on which the ban is being imposed? Could business and politics be rearing their ugly head once again?
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As discussed earlier, it has long been a US policy to go out of its way to support Saudi Arabia. As an energy producer, ally against al-Qaeda and ISIS, and a counter to Iran, they’re too important. We ostensibly supported the Arab Spring uprisings, yet let them send tanks into Bahrain to crush the protesters with little objection. This has been the case for years and years and has nothing to do with Trump.
 
Seamus_L said:
Stop letting them in ! Check the current Muslim population of European cities like Marseilles, Birmingham, Rotterdam, Brussels. Malmo, etc. Perhaps you see no danger in that, but I think it’s terrifying. People from places like Somalia, Sudan, Libya, etc are culturally incompatible to Americans.
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This is straight up islamophobic. If we can’t cal this “culturally incompatible” grossness that, then we’ve lost sight of what we are as a nation. That isn’t an insult, and I’m not calling YOU Islamophobic - just this notion.
 
Inisfallen said:
Until today, until this moment, I was at least hopeful about the next four years. Trump was elected as our president in a fair and free election, and I thought perhaps some good things might happen. I wasn’t thinking about “resistance,” or anything like that.

Now I’m not. It’s over.

We, as a nation, have made a horrible, horrible mistake. And we’re going to pay for it.

This is a very sad day. My wife has to be afraid to visit her family. My children (who are U.S. citizens) have to be afraid to visit their grandparents, in case Mom won’t be allowed to return home with them.

I’m going to join my local Democratic club on Monday and give as many hours as I can to working as hard as I can to ensure that President Trump and his party are defeated in the next election.
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Both my parents were green card holders. They never became citizens, but were vetted before getting his green card. My dad lived 30 years doing evertything right and obeying all the laws and paying all his taxes. My mom as well, she’s lived here over 55 years. Green card holders have been thoroughly vetted already.

Incredible.

What will this stupidity do to make America great again?
 
Thorolfr said:
They will probably be next. We put Japanese people who were US citizens in relocation camps.
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BTW, a little-known fact is that there were also internment camps for German-American citizens during both World War I and II. We never seem to learn from history.
 
meltzerboy said:
Good point. Why is Saudi Arabia conspicuously absent from the list of countries on which the ban is being imposed? Could business and politics be rearing their ugly head once again?
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The US supports the House of Saud and the House of Saud supports the US, kinda. This is a business decision. But going by my justification of this based on military actions I think you could justify excluding them.
 
Seamus_L said:
Stop letting them in ! Check the current Muslim population of European cities like Marseilles, Birmingham, Rotterdam, Brussels. Malmo, etc. Perhaps you see no danger in that, but I think it’s terrifying. People from places like Somalia, Sudan, Libya, etc are culturally incompatible to Americans.
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But what about those who are already in?
What about them? Hmmm?
 
Thorolfr said:
Considering that most of the 9/11 attackers were from Saudi Arabia, isn’t it odd that Mr. Trump’s executive order does not ban people from Saudi Arabia. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that Mr. Trump has business interests in Saudi Arabia.
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Since you mentioned the 9/11 attackers, all were here on non-immigrant visas. Are we halting all of those now, too? No more tourist, business, or student visas?

It’s staggering that the government is now so enthusiastic about ignoring factual information about refugees – like the odds of being killed by one. We’ve become a very frightened and frightening people.
 
gracepoole said:
Since you mentioned the 9/11 attackers, all were here on non-immigrant visas. Are we halting all of those now, too? No more tourist, business, or student visas?

It’s staggering that the government is now so enthusiastic about ignoring factual information about refugees – like the odds of being killed by one. We’ve become a very frightened and frightening people.
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Apparently green card holders, meaning people who live here legally and have been vetted are not being allowed in.
 
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