Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

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Thorolfr said:
There is no evidence that Iran would use nuclear weapons except to defend itself. In the last two centuries at least, Iran has never attacked another country. In the last major war with Iraq, Iraq was the aggressor.
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Strange, then, that Hamas and Hezbollah are both proxies who are supported materially by Iran.

Iran has already threatened to wipe Israel off of the map. Are you ok with that?
 
ATraveller said:
What will contain the Saudis? That’s like unleashing spiders to handle an insect infestation but then being overrun by spiders.

They haven’t stopped teaching children to hate non-Sunni Muslims likely because they have a tight grip on the population. It’s like the body’s immune system getting rid of tumour cells.
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Nobody. It’s a bad strategy in a region where all potential options are bad. But they are the biggest oil producer, so as long as the world economy runs on oil–and it will for decades–picking them might be the least bad of the bad options.

The real problem for the Saudis is their aggressive propagandizing abroad. They send imams to every corner of the world to establish schools that teach Wahhabism. If you get a chance, find a Saudi translation of the Quran and a non-Saudi one. The Saudi versions are very pro-monarchy whereas others are not. It’s a stark difference.
 
randomuser said:
Trump said all Muslims. Period. Why the selectivity for some Muslim countries but not all of them? Logic would dictate a country believed to be complicit in 9/11 (thanks, redacted 9/11 Commission Report) should be vetted thoroughly as well. I guess those are “alternative facts.” What an awesome day to be a Muslim from Saudi Arabia.
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Read the EO for yourself; it specifically mentions those countries that are failed states and run by terrorist organizations.

You know, its really getting hard to try and have a civil discussion when so many refuse to be bothered with the facts and think that their wisdom is above all others.
 
Tim_D said:
Strange, then, that Hamas and Hezbollah are both proxies who are supported materially by Iran.

Iran has already threatened to wipe Israel off of the map. Are you ok with that?
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And Saudi Arabia has its proxies, too.
 
M-Dent said:
They are busy fighting in Yemen.
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Saudi Arabia has pretended that it is fighting Iran’s Shia proxies in Yemen. But the Shia in Yemen are Zaidi Shia, not Twelver Shia as in Iran, so there is no real love between the two Shia groups.
 
gracepoole said:
What is the current vetting process?

Furthermore, what is the likelihood of dying at the hands of a refugee terrorist?
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I don’t know. Is it better or worse than the one used in the initial wave of refugees that poured into Europe and caused so many problems? Is it better or worse than the one used to vet the people involved in the theater slaughter in Paris?

I would imagine that statistically, the likelihood of dying at the hands of a refugee terrorist are rather low. I wonder if the families of those killed in 9/11 or the Boston marathon bombing were/are as able as you to simply brush it off as a statistical anomaly?
 
Inisfallen said:
Yes. US District Judge Ann Donnelly. Thank God someone was willing to stand up to President Trump.

It’s a credit to the wisdom of the Framers, who ensured that we have an independent judiciary.
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Yes indeed thank God.
 
Tim_D said:
I don’t know. Is it better or worse than the one used in the initial wave of refugees that poured into Europe and caused so many problems? Is it better or worse than the one used to vet the people involved in the theater slaughter in Paris?

I would imagine that statistically, the likelihood of dying at the hands of a refugee terrorist are rather low. I wonder if the families of those killed in 9/11 or the Boston marathon bombing were/are as able as you to simply brush it off as a statistical anomaly?
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You’re referring to others’ arguments as silly and bemoaning the lack of basic facts in this thread while not being able to describe the current vetting process or cite the fantastically low odds of being the target of a refugee terrorist?
 
Thorolfr said:
Saudi Arabia has pretended that it is fighting Iran’s Shia proxies in Yemen. But the Shia in Yemen are Zaidi Shia, not Twelver Shia as in Iran, so there is no real love between the two Shia groups.
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The Houthis are most certainly Shia led. Saudi Arabia and multiple other Sunni Arab countries are fighting them. Obama had unmanned aerial vehicles bombing in Yemen supporting someone, not sure who?
 
gracepoole said:
You’re referring to others’ arguments as silly and bemoaning the lack of basic facts in this thread while not being able to describe the current vetting process or cite the fantastically low odds of being the target of a refugee terrorist?
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I’ll be more impressed when the “low odds” argument is made to victims families of the Boston Marathon bombing.

The fact is under a hypothetical Clinton presidency, we may have gotten to the point of where an Orlando-style shooting would be happening every week in deep blue Democrat areas. And if we were really unlucky a couple of WMD’s in LA or NYC.

How’s that for “demographic destiny”?
 
Inisfallen said:
Yes. US District Judge Ann Donnelly. Thank God someone was willing to stand up to President Trump.

It’s a credit to the wisdom of the Framers, who ensured that we have an independent judiciary.
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And from the New York Times:

And only minutes after the judge’s ruling in New York City, another came in Virginia when U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema issued a temporary restraining order to block the removal of any green card holders being detained at Dulles International Airport for seven days. Brinkema’s action also ordered that lawyers have access to those held there because of the president’s ban.
 
M-Dent said:
The Houthis are most certainly Shia led. Saudi Arabia and multiple other Sunni Arab countries are fighting them. Obama had unmanned aerial vehicles bombing in Yemen supporting someone, not sure who?
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But the Houthis are Zaidi Shia, not the same kind of Shia as in Iran.
 
Tim_D said:
I don’t know. Is it better or worse than the one used in the initial wave of refugees that poured into Europe and caused so many problems? Is it better or worse than the one used to vet the people involved in the theater slaughter in Paris?

I would imagine that statistically, the likelihood of dying at the hands of a refugee terrorist are rather low. I wonder if the families of those killed in 9/11 or the Boston marathon bombing were/are as able as you to simply brush it off as a statistical anomaly?
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In Europe the refugee problem is so bad that many refugees want to return to Syria. And who can blame them when aid workers and police officers are more worried about being called racist than doing their job.
 
gracepoole said:
In Germany, lower crime rates were associated with refugees from Syria and Iraq, which have been targeted via Trump’s ban. Refugees are not a homogeneous group and a number of significant factors help determine the likelihood of crime.
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Incorrect.

Crimes have soared in Germany so much that they have advised residents not to go out at night and many refugee women sleep in their clothes at night to avoid being molested.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Incorrect.

Crimes have soared in Germany so much that they have advised residents not to go out at night and many refugee women sleep in their clothes at night to avoid being molested.
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I’m not sure how this would be reasonably debatable (that crime increased w/ the immigration increase).
 
SuperLuigi said:
In Europe the refugee problem is so bad that many refugees want to return to Syria. And who can blame them when aid workers and police officers are more worried about being called racist than doing their job.
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Is this more to do with cultural differences or merely not having a place to stay?
 
SuperLuigi said:
I’ll be more impressed when the “low odds” argument is made to victims families of the Boston Marathon bombing.

The fact is under a hypothetical Clinton presidency, we may have gotten to the point of where an Orlando-style shooting would be happening every week in deep blue Democrat areas. And if we were really unlucky a couple of WMD’s in LA or NYC.

How’s that for “demographic destiny”?
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You’re willing to ban refugees who are directly in harm’s way because you believe it’s reasonable to think you’ll be the 1 in 3.6 billion to be killed by a refugee?
 
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