Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

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josh987654321 said:
Yes, because they wanted open borders. Which was a huge mistake.

Sure.

Stand for what exactly? I am still looking into this to see what the extent of it is, some posters have raised some legitimate concerns, I don’t know whether they are actually affected or not. Other posters have just gone along with the hype of whatever new biased main stream media report is out on it.

If by doing something about It, just don’t blow up the white house or anything like that.

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_Abyssinia said:
This is a very informative article from David French regarding refugees and this executive order. French has actually been very critical of Trump in the past. The article is called, Trump’s Executive Order on Refugees – Separating Fact From Fiction’

I will paraphrase some of the information from French and add some of my own comments. You can read the full article from French at the below link.

The reason that that refugee processing is being stopped for the 120 days is because that time period is being used to improve the vetting process. Also the number of refugees that will be allowed to be admitted to the US number wise is between what George W Bush allowed during his time in office and what Barack Obama allowed as President, so what’ Trump allows is not some radical departure number wise.

Regarding the 90 day ban for refugees from a number of countries. This has been done because these countries have been torn apart with Islamic radicalism and the Department of Homeland Security is going to use this 90 day period to look into how these countries judge visa admissions etc.
But there can be exceptions made for people from these countries. It’s not an actual outright ban on anyone for anyone form these countries from entering the USA!

David French does not believe the text on the executive order has application to those already holding green cards and people who already legally reside.

There has been a hold out put on for Syrian indefinitely until changes have been made to The United States Regugee Admissions Program. Under the Obama administration though, a measly number of Syrians were allowed in to the USA as refugees, only 29 in 2011, 31 in 2012, 36 in 2013, 105 in 2014, and 1682 in 2015.

French points out that that the executive order does prioritise those refugees who are of a minority religion and have religious persecution but that this could apply to Muslims as well.

Alawite Muslims are a minority, and they have undergone persecution. They could even possibly apply under these regulations.

It’s also pointed out that religious persecution ALREADY exists, prior to his executive order, as something that must be established for asylum and refugee requests.

nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria

Reading David French’s anaylses, the complete hold on Syria is the biggest issue I have with it perhaps, and I would like see Trump talk more though about helping those with aid and support on the ground in these countries. I question some things, but there are things in this executive order that sounds quite reasonable when dealing with countries that are torn apart with Islamic radicalism.
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Seamus_L said:
We’ve already sacrificed some of our civil liberties because of Islamic terrorists. One need only look at the locked down police state the Boston area became during the hunt for Tsarnaev brothers. I don’t want to give up my Constitutional rights so that people from the Islamic world can bring there problems here. I support President Trump 100 pct.
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AGREED. In my humble opinion, our government’s number 1 goal is to protect it’s citizens from attacks. Period. 11 people were inconvenienced trying to enter our country. So were all the families who lost loved ones to terrorists. There isn’t a single doubt in my mind that Mr. Trump will correct these transitional issues.

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joshman1 said:
Listen to the pope and the NA bishops. We want justice for those most harmed and downtrodden. Open your heart and be compassionate.
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My heart is open and I am compassionate. I believe there are other ways of providing safe havens to these people right now. Extremists are forcing us to have extreme vetting. That is not unreasonable.

I find your “need” to inflame the situation questionable. There are 11 people caught in the transition to the new EO. Hardly worth the hate and discontent being spewed here.

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joshman1 said:
Listen to the pope and the NA bishops. We want justice for those most harmed and downtrodden. Open your heart and be compassionate.
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BTW, your admonitions to listen to the Pope and Bishops, Choose the Pope or King Trump. Really kind of Bizarre. Almost sounds manipulative. I note you have no religion listed… are you Catholic?

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Trump obviously didn’t think this through.

Terrorism has won it’s largest victory to date with this imprudent move.
 
What a blunder. Why on earth would anyone include permanent residents? Why would it include people already in transit? This is such a small thing to fix. Why can’t he just issue a communication stopping visa processing rather than attempting to stop people with visas and already no their way? He would require some form of registration for those already with visas at the airport and police stations where they are staying for the duration of their stay within this 120 day window. He should save face and issue a correction very fast.
 
Mummsie said:
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AGREED. In my humble opinion, our government’s number 1 goal is to protect it’s citizens from attacks. Period.
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Having a number 1 goal does not mean we cannot have a number 2 goal as well.
11 people were inconvenienced trying to enter our country. So were all the families who lost loved ones to terrorists.
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Non sequitur.
 
Mummsie said:
BTW, your admonitions to listen to the Pope and Bishops, Choose the Pope or King Trump. Really kind of Bizarre. Almost sounds manipulative…are you Catholic?
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Sound like you can’t respond to the admonition to listen to our Pope and Bishops so you instead question the right of anyone to make that admonition. Why don’t you try to explain why you don’t want to listen to them? Or else explain why you think they are being misquoted and are not really saying the things claimed. But don’t shoot the messenger just because you don’t like the message.
 
joshman1 said:
Listen to the pope and the NA bishops. We want justice for those most harmed and downtrodden. Open your heart and be compassionate.
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Of course, we definitely want that, part of justice though, is that those who seek I’ll will toward us and our loved ones are not given free reign to come and go as they please.

I hope this has helped

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Mummsie said:
My heart is open and I am compassionate. I believe there are other ways of providing safe havens to these people right now. Extremists are forcing us to have extreme vetting. That is not unreasonable.

I find your “need” to inflame the situation questionable. There are 11 people caught in the transition to the new EO. Hardly worth the hate and discontent being spewed here.

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josh987654321 said:
Of course, we definitely want that, part of justice though, is that those who seek I’ll will toward us and our loved ones are not given free reign to come and go as they please.

I hope this has helped

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How do you know that those being detained wish us ill will?
 
LeafByNiggle said:
How do you know that those being detained wish us ill will?
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We don’t, which is why they want vetting for those coming from regions that contain terrorists and terrorist sympathizers and or affiliates such as ISIS and Boko Haram etc in Syria, Iraq etc.

I hope this has helped

God Bless You

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
josh987654321 said:
We don’t, which is why they want vetting for those coming from regions that contain terrorists and terrorist sympathizers and or affiliates such as ISIS and Boko Haram etc in Syria, Iraq etc.

I hope this has helped

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Is that all that Trump did was call for better vetting? How good is good enough?
 
Seamus_L said:
Nowdays though, I hear people spouting modernistic rubbish, from the world without borders crowd, that anyone from anywhere has as much right to be here as Americans do.
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This is a false dichotomy that the “border security” proponents love to assume, but I personally do not believe we should have a “world without borders” or that “anyone from anywhere has as much right to be here as Americans do”. That doesn’t mean I’m going to accept any policy without any critical analysis, just because it is supposedly going to make the country safer.

I think that this E.O. was implemented in an overly broad, blunt way and is affecting people who are not affiliated with terrorists in any way, wasting DHS manpower and resources, and is inviting international backlash.

Much as I’d have also thought it extreme if Trump issued an E.O. that all air travelers must be strip-searched before boarding planes, even if he claimed that would make the country safer.

And BTW I certainly did NOT agree with Obama’s approach to Islamist terrorism, which was to bend over backward, stick his head in the sand, and essentially deny it’s a serious threat to people living in the US. He essentially refused to accept that any of the recent terrorist attacks were actually terrorist attacks. That was also ridiculous.
 
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