Republican Primary

[Scott_Lafrance]

Thank you for representing the conspiracy theorist faction of Ron Paul supporters.

Who said anything about a conspiracy. The GOP party hardliners want Romney. That much is painfully obvious. I am going to update my 2008 bumper sticker with the 2012 model

“Election 2012. Either way, we’re (bleeped).”

 

[mlund]

By the way, Ron Paul is the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party.

Funny thing about that. When I went to the rally at the state capital Ron Paul’s folks were a tiny minority of teens and twenty-somethings at the back of the pack with a bull-horn trying to shout people down. They were largely a self-marginalizing group that couldn’t cooperate with anyone. They generally wound up either alienating people with their foreign-policy rhetoric, their “let the states decide to kill babies” rhetoric, or their “legalize drugs and prostitution” rhetoric.

Maybe that’s just because in Arizona the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party is Barry Goldwater.

• Marty Lund

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Funny thing about that. When I went to the rally at the state capital Ron Paul’s folks were a tiny minority of teens and twenty-somethings at the back of the pack with a bull-horn trying to shout people down. They were largely a self-marginalizing group that couldn’t cooperate with anyone. They generally wound up either alienating people with their foreign-policy rhetoric, their “let the states decide to kill babies” rhetoric, or their “legalize drugs and prostitution” rhetoric.

Maybe that’s just because in Arizona the intellectual godfather of the Tea Party is Barry Goldwater.

• Marty Lund

Maybe they are tired of being marginalized by big-goverment Republicans/“TEA Party” types.

You know, the ones that supported TARP, the car bailouts, the Patriot Act, killing Americans by drones, “I violated free market principles to save the free market”, impotent response to TSA invasion of privacy, that sorta stuff.

I know I am. That is why I sent back my Republican Party ID card. It isn’t worth the paper its printed on. Kinda like our currency.

 

[rlg94086]

Who said anything about a conspiracy. The GOP party hardliners want Romney. That much is painfully obvious. I am going to update my 2008 bumper sticker with the 2012 model

“Election 2012. Either way, we’re (bleeped).”

I bolded the part of kubark’s post that struck me as conspiratorial. If you think the “government media complex” is using “dirty tricks” against Ron Paul, then I guess you agree with him. It sounds conspiratorial to me.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I bolded the part of kubark’s post that struck me as conspiratorial. If you think the “government media complex” is using “dirty tricks” against Ron Paul, then I guess you agree with him. It sounds conspiratorial to me.

I guess your one of the ones who thinks the government doesn’t have its fingers in the media (one) and (two) thinks that the media is an objective source of news and information.

 

[kubark]

We can not afford to “make a statement” by electing Paul our nominee. He will lose in a landslide. And this country has enough of a drug problem, without legalizing it.

Are the other 3 perfect? Heck no. But they (with a Republican majority in both Houses) will be lightyears better than Obama. Which is the point, no?

Put another way, you want a President Obama raising the dividend tax rate to 43% or a President, say, Gingrich lowering it to zero?

Or a President that reduces abortions vs one that has increased them massively?

If Paul gets the nomination, I will vote for him…holding my nose. And every time I vote for a Republican holding my nose, we lose. Bush 1 vs Clinton, Dull vs Clinton, McCain vs Obama

Ron Paul is the only one with a chance at beating Obama, and the Democrats know it.

I have made the prediction before and will make it again: nominate anyone BUT Ron Paul and Obama will be reelected.

Everyone seems to just assume that this will be a two-way race. But, an excellent analysis (freeindependentsun.com/republic/what-the-new-ppp-3-way-race-poll-shows-only-a-ron-paul-led-republican-ticket-can-beat-obama/) by Jack Wagner illustrates that:

“What [is] important is the reality that this will not be a 2-person race. While third-party/independent runs by Donald Trump, Ron Paul, Micheal Bloomberg and Bernie Sanders are both hypothetical and unlikely; Gary Johnson is all but certain to win the Libertarian Party nomination and will be on the ballot in all 50 states. In that event, he is likely to receive up to 9% of the vote if Romney is the GOP Nominee. If Ron Paul were the nominee, it is very likely that Johnson would endorse him. In addition to Johnson’s participation, it is likely that either Rocky Anderson (of the newly formed Justice Party) or a Green Party Nominee (most likely Jill Stein) will be on the ballot in enough states (45+) to pull votes from the left (and from Independents if Romney is the GOP Nominee), as much as 4% according to the PPP Poll. We also cannot forget the Americans Elect ticket, which is shooting for 50 State ballot access for their candidate, which will most likely be Buddy Rommer (a Republican), who is likely to pull more votes from Romney ticket than from a Paul ticket.”

And for the last time, Ron Paul does not want to legalize drugs and prostitution. Here is how Wikipedia summarizes his position on drugs:

"Paul contends that prohibition of drugs is ineffective and advocates ending the War on Drugs. “Prohibition doesn’t work. Prohibition causes crime.” He believes that drug abuse should be treated as a medical problem: “We treat alcoholism now as a medical problem and I, as a physician, think we should treat drug addiction as a medical problem and not as a crime.” The Constitution does not enumerate or delegate to Congress the authority to ban or regulate drugs in general.

Paul believes in personal responsibility, but also sees inequity in the current application of drug enforcement laws, noting in 2000, “Many prisoners are non-violent and should be treated as patients with addictions, not as criminals. Irrational mandatory minimal sentences have caused a great deal of harm. We have non-violent drug offenders doing life sentences, and there is no room to incarcerate the rapists and murderers.”

When asked about his position on implementing the tenth amendment, Paul explained, “Certain medical procedures and medical choices, I would allow the states to determine that. The state law should prevail not the Federal Government.” Speaking specifically about Drug Enforcement Administration raids on medical marijuana clinics Paul said, “They’re unconstitutional”, and went on to advocate states’ rights and personal choice: “You’re not being compassionate by taking medical marijuana from someone who’s suffering from cancer or AIDS … People should have freedom of choice. We certainly should respect the law and the law says that states should be able to determine this.”

 

[rlg94086]

I guess your one of the ones who thinks the government doesn’t have its fingers in the media (one) and (two) thinks that the media is an objective source of news and information.

Haliburton sends me monthly checks to make sure I stay quiet about it. Shhh…

 

[ProVobis]

I know I am. That is why I sent back my Republican Party ID card. It isn’t worth the paper its printed on. Kinda like our currency.

But that ink is expensive. They have to print more money just to pay for the ink. Vicious circle.

 

[kubark]

Thank you for representing the conspiracy theorist faction of Ron Paul supporters.

Thanks for the non-response.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

But that ink is expensive. They have to print more money just to pay for the ink.

Seriously. It probably costs more than $1.00 in ink and paper to print a $1.00 bill. I know that $.01 cent pieces cost about $.02 each to make. Talk about dumb. The military exchanges overseas stopped using pennies 15+ years ago. They round everything up or down to the closest nickle. End of year accounting always put the final cash reconcilliation within $100 for Naval Air Station Signonella. They just figured out it cost them more a year to process pennies than they were worth.

 

[kubark]

I bolded the part of kubark’s post that struck me as conspiratorial. If you think the “government media complex” is using “dirty tricks” against Ron Paul, then I guess you agree with him. It sounds conspiratorial to me.

What’s conspiratorial about any of it? It is all out in the open for us to observe on a daily basis. Was President Eisenhower being “conspiratorial” when he used the term “military industrial complex?” Get over it already.

Why is your first inclination to “bold” that which you lack the ability to refute in a rational manner?

 

[ManOnFire]

I can’t help but feel like I’m slowly switching to Ron Paul.

Compassionate liberalism is only growing the problems as evidenced by decades of the breakdown of society. Compassionate Conservatism is like compassionate liberalism, minus the taxpayer funding to prove that it doesn’t work. It’s a shame that it might come down to this, but it’s looking like it’s the only way. Forcing those who work hard to be responsible to pay for those who choose to be less responsible is not justice.

 

[kubark]

“let the states decide to kill babies” rhetoric, or their “legalize drugs and prostitution” rhetoric.

What a load of drivel!

The Santorum camp must be getting desperate to stoop this low in spreading outright lies about Ron Paul’s positions. Maybe the more they learn of Rick Santorum’s true record on pro-life issues, the more frustrated they become that they have been hoodwinked by a smooth operator like Rick, and feel the need to lash out at the messenger.

Perhaps they are still frustrated that Santorum failed to make the ballot in Virginia and has serious ballot issues in other states, and feel the need to lash out.

 

[ProVobis]

Seriously. It probably costs more than $1.00 in ink and paper to print a $1.00 bill. I know that $.01 cent pieces cost about $.02 each to make. Talk about dumb. The military exchanges overseas stopped using pennies 15+ years ago. They round everything up or down to the closest nickle. End of year accounting always put the final cash reconcilliation within $100 for Naval Air Station Signonella. They just figured out it cost them more a year to process pennies than they were worth.

Perhaps the biggest -]lie/-] deception is the “In God We Trust” on the currency.

It should be more like “On Stupidity We Depend.”

 

[Semper_Zelare]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

The lengths that Santorum disciples go to to defend his inexcusable “deals” and support of pro-abortion politicans is truly amazing, given that in the same breath they have the nerve to state that Ron Paul is less pro-life than Santorum.

And please, the youtube video I linked to can’t be taken out of context and Santorum’s voting record is avialable for all of us to see.

Santorum was thrown out of office in 2006 for his betrayal of basic social and fiscal conservative principles. He was thrown out for being just another status-quo, neoconservative, Bush-era Republican. He represents everything that the Tea Party rejected in 2010. He is truly arrogant and delusional to think that after being rejected in a landslide in Pennsylvania in 2006, that now all of a sudden he somehow he will have a chance against Obama in a general election.

Your last little attempt at a rationalization of Santorum’s betrayal, involving your example of your “friends” and “owing them money” doesn’t even make sense in relation to Santorum and Specter, and further illustrates how desperate you are to defend Santorum’s inexcusable behavior.

My last post talked about the issues.

Your post here makes 2 character attacks on me. You call me a “Santorum disciple”, and say that I’m depserate to defend inexcusable behavior.
I would appreciate an apology, but I won’t be surprised if you don’t give it. No one on these forums ever apologizes for anything. It’s disgusting.

The only man I’m a disciple of is fully human and fully divine.

And for your information I still have a Newt sticker on my car, and Newt is the only person I’ve give money to this go-round. So… not only are you attacking me personally, but even if you phrased it nicer and said “I’m in Santorum’s camp”, even that would be patently false.

Anyways, Arlen Specter and some PAC have nothing to do with Santorum being pro-life, whether in thought, word, or deed. Catholics in America have to operate in a world where almost everyone disagrees with our view of sexuality. Just because he works with those people doesn’t change his beliefs of being pro-life.

And, would you call me delusional to vote for Santorum? Maybe you shouldn’t start bringing mental illnesses into a political debate. Unless of course, you are Newt Gingrich… he wants to allocate 20 billion dollars to find cures for Alzheimers, Autism, and Dimentia. By His calculation, this would save us money.

But, again, if you think Rick Santorum is delusional, I guess all the people that voted for him in Iowa, Minnesota, Missouruh, and Colorado are also delusional, and suffer from mental illness.

No… that isn’t sarcasm. I’m trying to show you how terrible your comments are. They are simply beyond the pale. And a good Catholic would apologize for that kind of uncivilized discourse and hateful and demeaning rhetoric.

EDIT= I wouldn’t expect an apology from someone that quotes the Devil in their sig… I quote the Apostolos Petrus et Paulus.

 

[kubark]

My last post talked about the issues.

Your post here makes 2 character attacks on me. You call me a “Santorum disciple”, and say that I’m depserate to defend inexcusable behavior.
I would appreciate an apology, but I won’t be surprised if you don’t give it. No one on these forums ever apologizes for anything. It’s disgusting

Awww, you poor thing…Please!

I lost count of the number of times that I was called a “Paul-bot” or that Ron Paul was called a “fringe candidate” or “crazy uncle” or “anti-semite” or “racist” or “dangerous” and so on a so forth…

I certainly don’t take it personally and I certainly don’t ask for apologies.

“Santorum disciple” is nothing to get ruffled over.

 

[kubark]

My last post talked about the issues.

But, again, if you think Rick Santorum is delusional, I guess all the people that voted for him in Iowa, Minnesota, Missouruh, and Colorado are also delusional, and suffer from mental illness.

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Yes, judging by the state of the country and the state of the Republican Party, I would say that many voters are delusional to say the least.

I’m glad that you finally are seeing the light!!

 

[kubark]

EDIT= I wouldn’t expect an apology from someone that quotes the Devil in their sig… I quote the Apostolos Petrus et Paulus.

LOL!

You must be getting worried about your boy Rick, if you have to resort to attacking my signature!!

Do a little reseach before you attack a man’s signature and then you will understand why I use it, mate.

Cheer up, already!

 

[kubark]

EDIT= I wouldn’t expect an apology from someone that quotes the Devil in their sig… I quote the Apostolos Petrus et Paulus.

Yes, judging by the state of the country and the state of the Republican Party, I would say that many voters are delusional to say the least.

I’m glad that you finally are seeing the light!!

 

[kubark]

But, again, if you think Rick Santorum is delusional, I guess all the people that voted for him in Iowa, Minnesota, Missouruh, and Colorado are also delusional, and suffer from mental illness.

Yes, judging by the state of the country and the state of the Republican Party, I would say that many voters are delusional to say the least.

I’m glad that you finally are seeing the light!!