Republican Primary

[Nec5]

I guess your one of the ones who thinks the government doesn’t have its fingers in the media (one) and (two) thinks that the media is an objective source of news and information.

It is objective if you understand that their objective is to give a slanted view of the news.

 

[ishii]

It’s pretty simple, Scott. Ron Paul is not mainstream, so mainstream commentators don’t consider him a viable candidate. They aren’t “working as hard as they can” to keep him from being elected. They are just dismissive of him and his chances. The majority of GOP voters seem to think that Paul is too far out of step with the country to get elected.

Btw…they were dismissive of Santorum and his chances too, until he won a few states. Now, all of a sudden, he’s news and has a shot. If Ron Paul does the same, he will get the same press. Romney, on the other hand, is now in doubt by much of the press because of Santorum’s wins…Maine not withstanding. Santorum is now ahead in the national poll.

Oh, also btw, where is Newt Gingrich? He has completely disappeared from the news. Someone should put out an APB. Has he been moved to an undisclosed location?

Excellent points, Rlg. Your logic and reasoning is light years ahead of the conspiracy theories of the Paul supporters. You have to actually win something to get noticed. The Paul supporters feel that Ron Paul is owed media attention. Ron Paul has won nothing and certainly doesn’t deserve the kind of media attention that the Paul supporters are expecting.

My last post talked about the issues.

But, again, if you think Rick Santorum is delusional, I guess all the people that voted for him in Iowa, Minnesota, Missouruh, and Colorado are also delusional, and suffer from mental illness.

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Semper Zelare, your effort to talk some sense into these Paul supporters is admirable, but you have to remember that many of them are not very reasonable. To them, if Ron Paul does’t win a primary, its because of a government/media conspiracy. If the people of Minnesota and Colorado vote for Santorum over Ron Paul its because those people are delusional or stupid. If Santorum is authentically pro-life, then the Paul supporters will try to tear that down too with vicious attacks on his character - basically calling him a fraud. (actually its only one poster who does that, but the others don’t seem to call him on it).

Your posts are appreciated, but I think you’ll have a tough time convincing the Paul/conspiracy theorists of anything. Some of the Paul supporters don’t deserve being responded to.

Ishii

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[_Abyssinia]

Polling indicates Santorum could win Romney’s home state of Michigan

“Two polls released Monday showed Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who grew up in Bloomfield Hills, trailing former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania. American Research Group had Santorum up 33%-27% on Romney… Another survey firm, Public Policy Polling, had Santorum ahead with a far greater margin, 39% to 24%, for Romney” - Detroit Free Press

 "Santorum is hoping to turn the political conversation away from the social and cultural issues that have dominated his quest for the Republican presidential nomination so far and focus instead on the economy" - [New York Times

](http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/u...alk-of-jobs.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha24)
Pro-Romney super PAC buys ad time in Michigan - USA Today

“Among the Republicans that the polling firm classified as definite voters, Mr. Santorum’s lead was larger, 11 points over Mr. Romney. However, Mr. Romney led Mr. Santorum 33 to 22 among voters the pollsters classified as more marginal.” - Nate Silver

 Michigan Gov. Snyder says he'll endorse soon - [Politico](http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/02/michigans-gov-snyder-says-hell-endorse-soon-114330.html)

Polls: GOP Voters Who Dislike Romney Flock to Santorum - [WSJ](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/02/13/polls-gop-voters-who-dislike-romney-flock-to-santorum/)

Santorum event disrupted by Occupy protesters

“Minutes into Santorum’s speech, protesters began chanting and shouting. They rarely stopped over the next half-hour. “I think it’s really important to understand what this radical element represents,” Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator, told hundreds of supporters gathered outside the Washington Historical Museum. “What they represent is true intolerance.”” - AP

 "After hearing that, the conservative crowd attempted to shout down the Occupy protestors with chants of “U.S.A., U.S.A.”" - [CNN](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/14/protestors-disrupt-santorum-event-get-arrested/)

With early voting underway, Romney courts Arizona primary voters

“The former Massachusetts governor has the backing of key establishment figures here, including his 2008 rival Sen. John McCain, and the most recent polling shows him winning handily, but the surveys were done before rival Rick Santorum surged in recent days. Voters who share Romney’s Mormon faith make up one-tenth of the GOP electorate in Arizona, and Mesa is a hub. Voters attending the event here cheered heartily when Romney mentioned his faith.” - LA Times

**Gingrich predicts another comeback **

““Twice I’ve led in the Gallup polls,” he said, referring to his surge in early December and following his victory in the South Carolina primary in January. He predicted that he would return to the top of polls in a few weeks. He dismissed any notion of dropping out before Super Tuesday on March 6, as the editors of the conservative magazine National Review called on him to do for the good of the Republican Party on Monday. “National Review wanted us to drop out in June,” Mr. Gingrich said. “It’s silly.””- New York Times

Why I chose Newt over Santorum - Chuck Norris for Town Hall

White House economic adviser: “We need a global minimum tax” - Weekly Standard

Voter rolls rife with inaccuracies

“The report found that there are about 1.8 million dead people listed as active voters. Some 2.8 million people have active registrations in more than one state. And 12 million registrations have errors serious enough to make it unlikely that mailings based on them will reach voters.” - New York Times

 

[ProVobis]

Ron Paul has won nothing and certainly doesn’t deserve the kind of media attention that the Paul supporters are expecting.

It seems one only gets media attention these days if he or his supporters say or do something unusual. That’s how CNN, FOX, CNBC, ABC, CBS, etc make money.

That Ron Paul is consistent and has been consistent with his message for over 20 years is not a newsworthy item but should be more of a reason why people should vote for him if they agree with his ideology. You can’t dismiss a candidate simply because you find him boring but that’s the way things seem to go.

 

[Cider]

These massive threads with multiple cross topic discussions are so difficult to follow anymore.

 

[TexCatholic4JMJ]

It seems one only gets media attention these days if he or his supporters say or do something unusual. That’s how CNN, FOX, CNBC, ABC, CBS, etc make money.

That Ron Paul is consistent and has been consistent with his message for over 20 years is not a newsworthy item but should be more of a reason why people should vote for him if they agree with his ideology. You can’t dismiss a candidate simply because you find him boring but that’s the way things seem to go.

After 20 years of getting nowhere, maybe Ron Paul needs to find out why he is being
dismissed as a viable candidate. Most people I talk to say they could not agree with
his foreign (non?)policy. If one is consistant, but wrong, saying it over and over is not
going to chang that.

 

[TexCatholic4JMJ]

These massive threads with multiple cross topic discussions are so difficult to follow anymore.

I agree. Why can’t they stand (or not) on their own merit?

 

[scipio337]

Has the lack of any (recent) debates hurt Gingrich? I certainly think so.

 

[rlg94086]

Has the lack of any (recent) debates hurt Gingrich? I certainly think so.

I think you’re onto something there. He’s virtually disappeared from the news. I think the debates are the only thing that give him a boost.

 

[Joe_5859]

Hopefully this question doesn’t fall outside of the parameters of how we are to hold these discussions.

I was just wondering what some of the reasons are that people do not like Rick Santorum.

I’m not looking to argue the point or to read a bunch of pro/anti Santorum screeds. I’m just trying to broaden my knowledge base.

I know there was the whole debacle with him endorsing Specter which has turned people off. I’ve also seem comments criticizing his views on torture as being out of sync with Catholic teaching. Is there anything else I’m missing?

 

[qui_est_ce]

But, again, if you think Rick Santorum is delusional, I guess all the people that voted for him in Iowa, Minnesota,** -]Missouruh/-]Missoureee** (fixed if for ya), and Colorado are also delusional, and suffer from mental illness.

:hypno::whacky::blushing:

Delusional voter in Missouri

 

[AlwaysCurious]

Has the lack of any (recent) debates hurt Gingrich? I certainly think so.

Probably, but as I recall he didn’t do particularly well in the last two debates. I think the next debate (Feb. 22) is going to be critical for Santorum, Romney, and Gingrich. Particularly for the first two since they’re duking it out for Michigan, whose primary occurs the following week. If Romney loses that one he’s going to be in panic mode.

 

[mary_bobo]

After 20 years of getting nowhere, maybe Ron Paul needs to find out why he is being
dismissed as a viable candidate. Most people I talk to say they could not agree with
his foreign (non?)policy. If one is consistant, but wrong, saying it over and over is not
going to chang that.

 

[pnewton]

Hopefully this question doesn’t fall outside of the parameters of how we are to hold these discussions.

I was just wondering what some of the reasons are that people do not like Rick Santorum.

I would not say that I do not like him, but my reason for not voting for him will be that his statements on war with Iran indictates that his stance is more aggressive that the Catholic Just War doctrine allows. While I am not an isolationist, I am not one that believes in military action except in rare occassions.

I would vote for him in the general election if he won the nomination.

 

[Joe_5859]

I would not say that I do not like him, but my reason for not voting for him will be that his statements on war with Iran indictates that his stance is more aggressive that the Catholic Just War doctrine allows. While I am not an isolationist, I am not one that believes in military action except in rare occassions.

I would vote for him in the general election if he won the nomination.

Ah yes, I suppose it would have been better for me to phrase my question as “Why don’t people want to vote for him in the primary?” I suspect many here will vote for whichever Republican is running against Obama in the general election.

Thanks, that is helpful.

 

[pnewton]

After 20 years of getting nowhere, maybe Ron Paul needs to find out why he is being dismissed as a viable candidate.

There is no point. He is not one to change for political expediency. This trait is called integrity. I would not assume the American supremacy and military dominance will last forever, though. Whether we suffer defeat or have a fruitless victory, we are mortgaging our children’s future in the conflicts we fight on the installment plan. Their security here at home will be lessened by the wars of today. This was a fringe idea twenty years ago. It is now better understood as we see the collapse of the economy here and the future of America echoed in Greece. I do not thing Ron Paul will live long enough to be mainstream, but I do believe within a generation a candidate with his fringe ideas will the only choice.

This is my problem with the Republican Party, there is still the idea that 20 years is long-term, and most do not think further than the current election and maybe two years away. Twenty years is nothing in the grand scheme. We need a leader with vision, but such a leader is not electable in America. Thus, we will pay the bill when it comes due.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

There is no point. He is not one to change for political expediency. This trait is called integrity. I would not assume the American supremacy and military dominance will last forever, though. Whether we suffer defeat or have a fruitless victory, we are mortgaging our children’s future in the conflicts we fight on the installment plan. Their security here at home will be lessened by the wars of today. This was a fringe idea twenty years ago. It is now better understood as we see the collapse of the economy here and the future of America echoed in Greece. I do not thing Ron Paul will live long enough to be mainstream, but I do believe within a generation a candidate with his fringe ideas will the only choice.

This is my problem with the Republican Party, there is still the idea that 20 years is long-term, and most do not think further than the current election and maybe two years away. Twenty years is nothing in the grand scheme. We need a leader with vision, but such a leader is not electable in America. Thus, we will pay the bill when it comes due.

We are already at the breaking point and none of the “mainstream” candidates has the guts to deal with the problems. Obama is just doubling down and pushing us off the cliff. For people who love liberty more than security and the animated contest of freedom, we have no representation in Washington. We are stuck with statist Republicans or statist Democrats.

I have been told more than once, “If you don’t like it, leave.”

I am working on it. The freakin’ government has made that process unbearably complicated. I can’t really leave if I wanted to without a skein of strings attached.

Welcome to Imperial American Citizen Slavery. Enjoy your stay.

 

[ProVobis]

After 20 years of getting nowhere, maybe Ron Paul needs to find out why he is being
dismissed as a viable candidate. Most people I talk to say they could not agree with
his foreign (non?)policy. If one is consistant, but wrong, saying it over and over is not
going to chang that.

I think his position is more consistent with the Church’s position on foreign wars. Where there may be differences are with U.S. aid to poor countries but seeing that the U.S. government is in massive debt itself, I’m sure that that is forgiveable.

 

[gilliam]

Poll: Obama 49, Romney 42; Obama 49, Santorum 44

Romney’s electability argument weakening?