Rhode Island bishop: Obama’s Tuscon compassion ‘meaningless’ in light of abortion support

[estesbob]

If Modonna had condemned unchastity, would that have made her remarks invalid?

The Bishop doesn’t make me squirm. I thought his remarks totally off point. That’s all.

Why would the Bishops remarks be off point? How can one who supports unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion on demand possibly be considered a voice of compassion? It would be great if the Church called out every pro-abortion politician who mouthed compassion while supporting the slaughter of the innocents.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Your opinion then.

I applaud the bishop and his specific remarks re obama and LIFE.

Of course, my opinion. Just as Bishop Tobin had his opinion and the posters on this thread theirs. I would have, however, preferred his Excellency’s remarks to have been on point vis-a-vis the events in Tucson.

There’s time to condemn a politician and a time to praise him. Tucson was IMO a time to praise the President.

 

[catharina]

It’s not the title of the thread that counts; it’s what was in the article and the relevance of the Bishop’s remarks to the speech in Tucson. Where did the President even once say the word “abortion”?

Why didn’t the Bishop say something about the way Obama has been conducting the war in Afghanistan, too? Where is it’s relevance to Tucson?

You can’t have it both ways.

First you say:
"“one Catholic bishop says the lofty sentiments left him cold because of the president’s attitude toward another, unmentioned group of victims.”

His Excellency is, of course, entitled to his own opinion on the subject, both as a citizen and a clergyman, but his are the remarks of one bishop. I did not see similar remarks made by the rest of our Catholic hierarchy."

Then you imply:  **'the bishop should be quiet about this.'**

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For this to be relevant to you as a CATHOLIC, how many bishops should speak?
Five?  Fifteen?  Twenty-three?

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Why would the Bishops remarks be off point?

They had nothing to do with the events in Tucson, neither the shootings and murders, nor with the President’s speech.

Why didn’t the bishop point out that Obama is conducting the war in Afghanistan not much differently than Mr. Bush did? What’s the nexus between the war and Tucson? No more nexus tha the nexus between abortion and comforting the survivors of Tucson.

 

[catharina]

Why would the Bishops remarks be off point? How can one who supports unrestricted taxpayer-funded abortion on demand possibly be considered a voice of compassion? It would be great if the Church called out every pro-abortion politician who mouthed compassion while supporting the slaughter of the innocents.

Complete agreement here!

 

[estesbob]

Of course, my opinion. Just as Bishop Tobin had his opinion and the posters on this thread theirs. I would have, however, preferred his Excellency’s remarks to have been on point vis-a-vis the events in Tucson.

There’s time to condemn a politician and a time to praise him. Tucson was IMO a time to praise the President.

There is never a time to praise a politician who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand. Such a position so soils their moral authority that everything they say is suspect. Such a person is not fit to hold any elected position whether it be President of the United States or dogcatcher of Bugsplat USA.

 

[the_phoenix]

There is never a time to praise a politician who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand. Such a position so soils their moral authority that everything they say is suspect. Such a person is not fit to hold any elected position whether it be President of the United States or dogcatcher of Bugsplat USA.

:clapping:

:tiphat:

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Then you imply: 'the bishop should be quiet about this.'

Not at all. I twice said that he has the right as a clergyman and citizen to say whatever he wants to say. I only noted that he was a congregation of one. I would have liked to see some connection between Obama’s speech in Tucson and abortion, given that the bishop made such a connection. I fail to see the connection between the speech and anything else other than comforting the victims of Tucson.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

There is never a time to praise a politician who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand. Such a position so soils their moral authority that everything they say is suspect. Such a person is not fit to hold any elected position whether it be President of the United States or dogcatcher of Bugsplat USA.

Noted as your usual position.

 

[estesbob]

Noted as your usual position.

Not just my position-it is the position of the Church-as this Bishop just reiterated.

 

[catharina]

Not at all. I twice said that he has the right as a clergyman and citizen to say whatever he wants to say. I only noted that he was a congregation of one. I would have liked to see some connection between Obama’s speech in Tucson and abortion, given that the bishop made such a connection. I fail to see the connection between the speech and anything else other than comforting the victims of Tucson.

Perhaps you should read the actual and original text by Bishop Tobin?
Easily granted:

romancatholicidentity.com/2011/01/bishop-tobin-on-pres-obamas-shameful.html

The title of this column is:
“The President’s Speech; Why I Wasn’t Impressed”

 

[catharina]

Not just my position-it is the position of the Church-as this Bishop just reiterated.

Clearly so.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Not just my position-it is the position of the Church-as this Bishop just reiterated.

“There is never a time to praise a politician who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand. Such a position so soils their moral authority that everything they say is suspect. Such a person is not fit to hold any elected position whether it be President of the United States or dogcatcher of Bugsplat USA.”

Please point to any Church document or position paper that says that what you said “is the position of the Church.” Where are the Church’s remarks about unfitness for office?

And, where the Church’s remarks about a nexus between a speech given to comfort and abortion?

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I leave it at this. The bishop is entitled to his remarks even as I think them off topic to the content of the President’s speech, you are entitled to your opinions, and I to mine.

I see no point in going any further on this as none of us are going to change our positions.

Go in peace to serve the Lord.

 

[catharina]

I leave it at this. The bishop is entitled to his remarks even as I think them off topic to the content of the President’s speech, you are entitled to your opinions, and I to mine.

I see no point in going any further on this as none of us are going to change our positions.

Go in peace to serve the Lord.

Hmm? The ‘order’ given by you is as relevant to me as the “compassion” offered by obama whose primary concern seems to be legalized ease in killing babies.

 

[estesbob]

“There is never a time to praise a politician who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand. Such a position so soils their moral authority that everything they say is suspect. Such a person is not fit to hold any elected position whether it be President of the United States or dogcatcher of Bugsplat USA.”

Please point to any Church document or position paper that says that what you said “is the position of the Church.” Where are the Church’s remarks about unfitness for office?

And, where the Church’s remarks about a nexus between a speech given to comfort and abortion?

Rich; Why would you need for the Church to tell you that one who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand is unfit for office?

In case you do you might want to start here:

catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=30135

As far as the “nexus” goes" Ill let the Bishop speak for himself

“The full accounting of President Obama’s track record on abortion goes on for eight typed pages, a very sad and discouraging litany. **The net effect, though, is that President Obama’s shameful record on abortion leaves his touching tribute and appeal to goodness in Tucson – and other expressions of compassion – sterile and meaningless. **

“As he stood on the stage in Tucson, he was a prophet without credentials; his speech, a song without a soul.”

 

[catharina]

Rich; Why would you need for the Church to tell you that one who supports unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand is unfit for office?

In case you do you might want to start here:

catholic.org/politics/story.php?id=30135

As far as the “nexus” goes" Ill let the Bishop speak for himself

“The full accounting of President Obama’s track record on abortion goes on for eight typed pages, a very sad and discouraging litany. **The net effect, though, is that President Obama’s shameful record on abortion leaves his touching tribute and appeal to goodness in Tucson – and other expressions of compassion – sterile and meaningless. **

“As he stood on the stage in Tucson,
he was a prophet without credentials; his speech,
a song without a soul.”

A rather perfect description, IMO.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Hmm? The ‘order’ given by you is as relevant to me as the “compassion” offered by obama whose primary concern seems to be legalized ease in killing babies.

Caterina, it is not an order, and certainly not mine. It is an invitation made at the end of the Catholic Mass when the congregation is invited, not ordered, to “Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.” Its relevance is, of course, up to the hearer.

 

[catharina]

Caterina, it is not an order, and certainly not mine. It is an invitation made at the end of the Catholic Mass when the congregation is invited, not ordered, to “Go in peace to love and serve the Lord.” Its relevance is, of course, up to the hearer.

Directive, order, blessing,
call it what you will.

Of course I recognize the source.

It simply strikes me as off-kilter when one
who suggests it is, at the same time,
blaming a bishop and applauding obama.

Also of relevance, in your earlier post … you eliminated the part
that directs us to LOVE and serve the Lord. You said ‘go in peace and serve.’

Odd, imo.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

Its funny to see Bishop Tobin go from being disliked by the conservatives to being fully embraced by them. Two years ago when Tobin was demanding immigration reform and verbally attacking the local republican immigration laws the right was very upset and called him a big liberal. Now, he’s their hero.