Rhode Island bishop: Obama’s Tuscon compassion ‘meaningless’ in light of abortion support

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The key word is “imaginary” and you have a very vivid imagination. I’d clear it with the Bishop before putting words into his mouth. 😦
Unfortunately way too many Catholics never stopped to think about of the ramifications of Obamas view on abortion and how it would permeate his every action. I am glad the Bishop called him out.
 
I am one of those Catholics who could not even finish watching Obama’s speech because of the reason the good Bishop pointed out.

If anything I have said is against the Catholic Church, let it be anathema.
 
I am one of those Catholics who could not even finish watching Obama’s speech because of the reason the good Bishop pointed out.

If anything I have said is against the Catholic Church, let it be anathema.
I can’t stand to watch him either.
I surely don’t LISTEN to him ever.
 
I can’t stand to watch him either.
I surely don’t LISTEN to him ever.
Sure, I can understand that, but I listen, in addition to Dem politicians, to GOP politicians to hear what they have to say. I may not agree with them (the usual situation :D) but one never knows when one might actually say something valuable and worth hearing. I see no point in shutting my ears to anyone.
 
Sure, I can understand that, but I listen, in addition to Dem politicians, to GOP politicians to hear what they have to say. I may not agree with them (the usual situation :D) but one never knows when one might actually say something valuable and worth hearing. I see no point in shutting my ears to anyone.
Has someone asked you to do so?
 
Has someone asked you to do so?
Do you do things only when someone asks or tells you to do them? I hope not.

It’s my belief that everyone has something to say, sometimes worthwhile, and I see no point in not, at least, listening. I may learn something from them - and, to be sure, maybe not. 🙂
 
Do you do things only when someone asks or tells you to do them? I hope not.

It’s my belief that everyone has something to say, sometimes worthwhile, and I see no point in not, at least, listening. I may learn something from them - and, to be sure, maybe not. 🙂
applauding the revision above.
 
What did Obama’s remarks in Tucson have to do with abortion? Was the word said even once?

Even respecting Bishop Tobin’s right to say whatever he wants to say about anything he wants - as a clergyman and citizen - I think his remarks not to be on point in this instance.
Quoting the president’s words, Tobin pondered** how** Obama’s praise of childhood innocence, embodied in 9-year-old shooting victim Christina Taylor Green**, clashed** with his disregard for even smaller children put to death every day in the womb.
“I can’t help but ask, respectfully, ‘Mr. President,* why*** can’t you see our other childrenso curious, so trusting, so energetic and full of magic, and so **deserving **of our love –in all of the unborn children who didn’t live because of our nation’s embrace of the abortion option?’” Tobin asked.
 
“one Catholic bishop says the lofty sentiments left him cold because of the president’s attitude toward another, unmentioned group of victims.”

His Excellency is, of course, entitled** to his own** opinion on the subject, both as a citizen and a clergyman, but his are the remarks of one bishop. I did not see similar remarks made** by the rest of our Catholic hierarchy. **
:hmmm:
The Catholic Church has* always*** condemned abortion as a grave evil. Christian writers from the** first-century author** of the** Didache** to Pope John Paul II in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae (“The Gospel of Life”) have maintained that the Bible forbids abortion, just as it forbids murder. This tract will provide some examples of this** consistent**witness from the writings of the Fathers of the Church
http://www.catholic.com/library/Abortion.asp
 
I wholly respect the bishop’s right to speak out, but I think that he would have been more on point and his remarks more meaningful if the President had been in Tucson to speak about abortion instead about the shooting tragedy.
Rich, every breathe we take is owing to our life. All rights flow from this. We, therefore, have every right to point out the glaring hypocrisy in a man who thinks to speak and breathe freely while denying others that same right.

[Bishop] Tobin noted that he agreed with those who would object that abortion is not the only moral issue in the world; however, he said, “it is the most important.”

Pax,
Tim
 
Rich, every breathe we take is owing to our life. All rights flow from this. We, therefore, have every right to point out the glaring hypocrisy in a man who thinks to speak and breathe freely while denying others that same right.
He was not making a speech about abortion. He was speaking about the Tucson tragedy with compassion, civility, and understanding. I see no hypocrisy in offering that comfort to the victims and their survivors.

In any case, you may believe what you want. I’ve made my position clear - condemn him for his abortion stance when abortion is an issue in a speech, but not otherwise.

Else, what? Condemn him for his position on abortion when he is asked about his opinion of the Super Bowl? 🤷
 
He was not making a speech about abortion. He was speaking about the Tucson tragedy with compassion, civility, and understanding. I see no hypocrisy in offering that comfort to the victims and their survivors.

In any case, you may believe what you want. I’ve made my position clear - condemn him for his abortion stance when abortion is an issue in a speech, but not otherwise.

Else, what? Condemn him for his position on abortion when he is asked about his opinion of the Super Bowl? 🤷
And therein lies the problem. An attempt to separate a man’s enthusiastic support of the slaughter of 1.2 million children from his other duties. The point the Bishp is making is his support of this evil so permeates everything he does that he has no moral credibility to lead. His support of abortion affects everything he does so your idea that we ignore his stance on abortion other than when he was speaking on abortion is specious. Not an hour of any day should go by when this man is not called out for the evil he supports. Anytime this man utters a word about proposed solutions to the nation’s problem people need to be reminded of his moral bankruptcy. It is high time that we, especially Catholics, quit supporting in any way shape or form people who enabled this evil to continue in our country. People, especially elected officials, who support abortion should be treated as pariahs.
 
And therein lies the problem. An attempt to separate a man’s enthusiastic support of the slaughter of 1.2 million children from his other duties. The point the Bishp is making is his support of this evil so permeates everything he does that he has no moral credibility to lead. His support of abortion affects everything he does so your idea that we ignore his stance on abortion other than when he was speaking on abortion is specious. Not an hour of any day should go by when this man is not called out for the evil he supports. Anytime this man utters a word about proposed solutions to the nation’s problem people need to be reminded of his moral bankruptcy. It is high time that we, especially Catholics, quit supporting in any way shape or form people who enabled this evil to continue in our country. People, especially elected officials, who support abortion should be treated as pariahs.
You would disregard his opinion on who will win the Super Bowl, on that basis, it seems, given that his support of abortion affects everything he does. Oh, well. 🤷
 
You would disregard his opinion on who will win the Super Bowl, on that basis, it seems, given that his support of abortion affects everything he does. Ah, well. 🤷
More triviaizing of the greatest moral issue facing our country today.
 
More triviaizing of the greatest moral issue facing our country today.
Not at all. You said, “…his support of this evil so permeates everything he does that he has no moral credibility to lead. His support of abortion affects everything he does.”

Everything means everything - supporting the war, speeches in Tucson, relations with our allies, and yes, even the Super Bowl.
 
and therein lies the problem. An attempt to separate a man’s enthusiastic support of the slaughter of 1.2 million children from his other duties. The point the bishp is making is his support of this evil so permeates everything he does that he has no moral credibility to lead. His support of abortion affects everything he does so your idea that we ignore his stance on abortion other than when he was speaking on abortion is specious. Not an hour of any day should go by when this man is not called out for the evil he supports. Anytime this man utters a word about proposed solutions to the nation’s problem people need to be reminded of his moral bankruptcy. It is high time that we, especially catholics, quit supporting in any way shape or form people who enabled this evil to continue in our country. People, especially elected officials, who support abortion should be treated as pariahs.
agree!
 
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