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It’s an older concept though, normally associated with Soviet propaganda. I do agree that most claims of “Whataboutism” are worthless though, really just a way to deflect hypocrisy.
 
Anonkun said:
Notice how the word appeared out of nowhere around 2017
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History lesson is in order:

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

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It is unclear whether whataboutism or whataboutery originated first; although whataboutery is recorded several years before whataboutism . According to lexicographer Ben Zimmer[13], whataboutery was used with a similar meaning in the 1970s. He cites a 1974 letter by Sean O’Conaill which was published in The Irish Times and which referred to “the Whatabouts … who answer every condemnation of the Provisional I.R.A. with an argument to prove the greater immorality of the ‘enemy’” and an opinion column entitled ‘Enter the cultural British Army’ by ‘Backbencher’ (Irish Journalists John Healy) in the same paper which picked up the theme using the term “whataboutery”. It is likely that whataboutery derived from Healy’s response to O’Conaill’s letter.
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Regular_Atheist said:
It’s an older concept though, normally associated with Soviet propaganda. I do agree that most claims of “Whataboutism” are worthless though, really just a way to deflect hypocrisy.
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Yet the act of using whataboutism or whataboutery is just a way to deflect away from the current truth?

Caldera used an act of whataboutism to deflect about the current truth. The current truth shames the current narrative.
 
This is Trump’s America. I don’t think people are happy.

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I’ve posted an article before regarding whataboutism. It’s summarized in the Wikipedia article under defense. I think pointing out hypocrisy can serve a purpose.
 
Dr_Meinheimer said:
It is misleading, but done by both sides more than once, admittedly. Heck, the media, who job it is to present factual information, had done it numerous times.
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Then the RNC is no better than the DNC or the MSM, both of which they highly criticize.

I used to think the Republican Party stood for personal morality and accountability.

Not so much anymore.
 
tad said:
Then the RNC is no better than the DNC or the MSM, both of which they highly criticize.

I used to think the Republican Party stood for personal morality and accountability.

Not so much anymore.
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So it bothers you that the Republicans used to stand for those values but now apparently do not. One must assume you never thought the Democrats stood for those values, since you didn’t mention them at all in your disappointment. That doesn’t say much for them.

The Democrats I could argue used to stand for decent values too. They began to lose that image in the 90s, and stepped on the accelerator in the 2000s.

Muckraking, yellow journalism and misleading campaigning are not new things. To act indignant that a Trump campaign ad did it defies actual history.
 
Dr_Meinheimer said:
So it bothers you that the Republicans used to stand for those values but now apparently do not. One must assume you never thought the Democrats stood for those values, since you didn’t mention them at all in your disappointment. That doesn’t say much for them.

The Democrats I could argue used to stand for decent values too. They began to lose that image in the 90s, and stepped on the accelerator in the 2000s.

Muckraking, yellow journalism and misleading campaigning are not new things. To act indignant that a Trump campaign ad did it defies actual history.
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Again, I used to think that Republicans stood for personal accountability.

Now, they’re just as bad as the Democrats, which you’ve openly described as despicable.
 
PaulinVA said:
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KMC:
Because in Donald Trump’s America there is a thing called “states rights.” States rights allow states and local authorities to decline federal assistance. Who is declining federal assistance? Virtually all the democratic controlled locales where rioting is occurring.
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I think it’s more the overall vibe or direction of the country that are causing the disturbances.

I, too, want to see the unrest quelled. I am in favor of peaceful protests, but not violent ones. A President can be a uniter or a divider. Trump is a divider.
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Yeah, no.

The Democrats are instigating the riots in order to destabilize the country politically.

It is backfiring badly on them despite your attempts to lay down cover for their awful behaviour.
 
PaulinVA said:
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Jeanne_S:
As opposed to the hate fest that the Dems produced last week?
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I suppose when the leftists allow only to themselves the right to determine the “facts” on every issue it isn’t difficult to see that “fact-checking” will be their go to strategy.

Let’s be clear, though. What is being checked are the opinions of some by opinions of others. It is only the audacity of the Dem supporters that make them believe they alone have the capacity to determine what the facts are that provides the precognitive standing for the hubris that makes them believe they cannot be incorrect on the facts because they are inerrant.
 
qui_est_ce said:
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PaulinVA:
LOL! 567890
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How do Trump’s pro-life actions compare to Obama’s?
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  1. First of all, … by keeping Hillary Clinton out of the White House. Had she been elected, the
    extremism of abortion in America would have reached a fever pitch     …
  2. … his campaign pledge to only appoint pro-life Justices to the Supreme Court …Gorsuch and … Kavanaugh. Also, he has placed another 198 conservative judges on the Circuit and District courts, bringing significant change even to the liberal 9th Circuit.
  3. President Trump has deprived the abortion industry of billions of dollars. …
    signed legislation to permit … states to defund Planned Parenthood of Title X family
    planning. He also issued an Executive Order to give states the option to withhold
    Medicaid and other federal money from organizations that perform abortions    ,
    including Planned Parenthood.
  4. President Trump implemented the Protect Life Rule, a rule by the Department of
    Health and Human Services to cut taxpayer funding under the Title X program for
    any facility that performs abortions or refers clients to them    …
  5. President Trump re-instated and expanded the “Mexico City Policy.” His new
    policy ensures that our tax dollars are protected from funding the abortion industry
    overseas across ALL global health spending,     not just family planning dollars. The
    Bush-era Mexico City Policy protected roughly $500 million in spending – the new
    Trump policy protects over $8.8 billion overseas aide from funding abortion. …also
    stopped funding the pro-abortion United Nations Population Fund.
  6. The Trump Administration Department of Health & Human Services (HHS)
    issued a rule requiring that insurers specify to their customers whether the plan they
    are buying covers abortion.     …
  7. The President created a new office in the federal government for Conscience and
    Religious Freedom, so that people who…are being forced to participate in abortion, can have their rights vindicated more effectively.
  8. President Trump has ended the Obama assault on the religious freedom of those
    employers who do not want to cover abortion-inducing drugs in the health insurance
    plans they offer their employees    .
  9. The President continues to make numerous appointments, across the federal
    administration, of strong pro-life advocates    , …many … he has appointed do not make the headlines, but they are making and implementing policies and practices that advance the pro-life agenda.
    … in the DHHS, the strategy memo makes it clear that “human beings” include babies in the womb.
  10. The President has pushed hard for the Senate to pass additional pro-life legislation, like the Pain Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, as well as the full removal of funding from Planned Parenthood. He has promised to sign both bills.
    Source: https://www.priestsforlife.org/elections/trump-prolife-accomplishments.pdf
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@PaulinVA, care to list Obama’s pro-life accomplishments?
 
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