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oldcelt
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A bit late, don’t ya think?
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_Abyssinia
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Most accurate pollster of 2008, Rasmussun, has Obama and Romeny with in the margin or error in the swing swates so how is Romney losing?Ex-Bush aide Mark McKinnon (Republican thus) on what the video reveals about Romney the man – a deeply cynical man he says --, and about Romney’s campaign losing:
thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/19/mark-mckinnon-on-why-time-is-running-out-for-mitt-romney.html
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_Abyssinia
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He has said similar to the univision forum in his entire campaign and 1 snippet from a video that where minutes were missing does not change that. Romney clumsily said in the video it was difficult to get the vote of people who were dependent on goverment programs and statiscially that is true because they are more likely to be democratsA bit late, don’t ya think?
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oldcelt
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Of course, there was that little thing known as the Iranian Crisis and the daily count on TV. I don’t see anything approaching that right now…but there is still time.Most accurate pollster of 2008, Rasmussun, has Obama and Romeny with in the margin or error in the swing swates so how is Romney losing?
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ProVobis
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Good for you. There is no way around this. Both parties are needed to cooperate on the pro-life movement and need to do more. But as long as the pro-life forces support only one party, you will only get more polarization on this, which is the last thing the country needs. They can fight on medicare and taxes all they want, but the protection of life comes first.A lot of progress has been made in the pro-life movement. I can understand if people have historic ties to one or the other party but for me, it’s necessary to do what I can to help the pro-life movement.
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ProVobis
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Not if you’re name is Mr. Etch-a-sketch.A bit late, don’t ya think?
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I have to say that no matter what one thinks of him, at least Bush was consistent and we knew what he was going to do.
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oldcelt
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There is a great deal more in that tape than the 47% comment…how about his comments on Latinos and blacks? I think the analysis is correct…it shows a deeply cynical man playing to his audience in some very offensive ways.He has said similar to the univision forum in his entire campaign and 1 snippet from a video that where minutes were missing does not change that. Romney clumsily said in the video it was difficult to get the vote of people who were dependent on goverment programs and statiscially that is true, most are democrats
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_Abyssinia
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It is the democrat party that has forced pro lifers that for the majority has forced them to support 1 party because of the extremism of the democrat platform on abortion. Democrats have alienated pro lifers. Democrats denied pro life democrats a platform at the DNCGood for you. There is no way around this. Both parties are needed to cooperate on the pro-life movement and need to do more. But as long as the pro-life forces support only one party, you will only get more polarization on this, which is the last thing the country needs. They can fight on medicare and taxes all they want, but the protection of life comes first.
Unless democrats have a more open platform on abortion, pro lifers will not support them and the pro abortion democrats are at fault, not pro lifers
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migueltojose
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People tend to support what supports their position… evidenced by both sides on this thread… I don’t believe people, in general, lie, but, we are all biased…consciously or sub-consciously… and that’s all it takes to pit us against each other…Ex-Bush aide Mark McKinnon (Republican thus) on what the video reveals about Romney the man – a deeply cynical man he says --, and about Romney’s campaign losing:
thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/19/mark-mckinnon-on-why-time-is-running-out-for-mitt-romney.html
Politicians on the other hand, lie like rugs… but it’s not their fault… really… they have to… the number one job of a politician is to get elected, they can’t get in the “game” if they aren’t elected… in this case the end justifies the means (not really, but for successful politicians) so they will say and do whatever they have to - to win. Then their next most important job is to stay in office and get re-elected. They spend most of their time campaining, fund raising and sorting through lobbyists, with a lot of sophisticated analysis (seriously sophisticated Madison Ave analysis) telling them what will get them elected or keep them in office.
It’s a dirty business by nature and it’s not their fault. Even the most naive sincere freshman legislator eventually succombs to political realities. It’s too bad but inherently “dug in” to the system. It can be fixed but their is no incentive (motivation, hope??) to fix it. So, the upshot is, we do the best we can with what we’ve got and try to fix it where and when we can, but the best place is at the “grass roots” level. Jesus did it with a handful of men and women… of course he was the Son of God… but He commissioned the Holy Spirit to do even greater things than He did… it is possible… and ultimately inevitible… I believe the Holy Spirit is very active…
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_Abyssinia
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What comment? I have never heard Romney said anything bad about Latinos or Black. You seem to have a negative view of Mitt Romney which I do not shareThere is a great deal more in that tape than the 47% comment…how about his comments on Latinos and blacks? I think the analysis is correct…it shows a deeply cynical man playing to his audience in some very offensive ways.
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ProVobis
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Romney is probably praying that that somehow Obama falls into the same clumsiness and makes the same mistake about the other 53%.Romney clumsily said in the video it was difficult to get the vote of people who were dependent on goverment programs and statiscially that is true because they are more likely to be democrats
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oldcelt
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That’s true…What comment? You seem to have a very negative of Mitt Romney which I do not share
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You have not stated the commentThat’s true…
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oldcelt
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“My dad, as you probably know, was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico … and had he been born of Mexican parents, I’d have a better shot at winning this. But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. He lived there for a number of years. I mean, I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino.”
JohnThe Republican presidential nominee’s joke came with a dire warning: “We’re having a much harder time with Hispanic voters, and if the Hispanic voting bloc becomes as committed to the Democrats as the African American voting bloc has in the past,” he said, “why, we’re in trouble as a party and, I think, as a nation.”
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ProVobis
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Pro-life Democrats were almost all voted out last election. Thank you, Tea Party. Pick on the most vulnerable.It is the democrat party that has forced pro lifers that for the majority has forced them to support 1 party because of the extremism of the democrat platform on abortion. Democrats have alienated pro lifers. Democrats denied pro life democrats a platform at the DNC
And party platforms are generally worthless; they certainly aren’t binding.
But Republicans appointing more judges to overturn the mostly Republican-appointed Supreme Court which gave us Roe vs Wade in the first place? Good luck with that.
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Have asked you before to name these pro life democrats but you did not respondPro-life Democrats were almost all voted out last election. Thank you, Tea Party. Pick on the most vulnerable.
And party platforms are generally worthless; they certainly aren’t binding.
But Republicans appointing more judges to overturn the mostly Republican-appointed Supreme Court which gave us Roe vs Wade in the first place? Good luck with that.
Republican party did not have a pro life platform till 1980. I heard that back then the democrat party was more pro life than republican party which shows how things change
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migueltojose
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You prefer pro-death judges? That’s what the democrats will put in there. Back when, there were some unexpected flips by judges thought to be conservative. That doesn’t mean we should stop trying. We should never stop trying.Pro-life Democrats were almost all voted out last election. Thank you, Tea Party. Pick on the most vulnerable.
And party platforms are generally worthless; they certainly aren’t binding.
But Republicans appointing more judges to overturn the mostly Republican-appointed Supreme Court which gave us Roe vs Wade in the first place? Good luck with that.
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migueltojose
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There used to be such a thing as conservative democrats and “Catholics” (in the North)and Christians (in the South) were anchor tenents. That was before Roe v Wade and other issues flipped.Have asked you before to name these pro life democrats but you did not respond
Republican party did not have a pro life platform till 1980. I heard that back then the democrat party was more pro life than republican party which shows how things change
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CMatt25
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ProVobis summed up Romney well: Mr. Etch-a-sketch.I don’t know what you’re trying to say. First you say he hasn’t been moving to the center after the Primaries cause he’s pandering the TP, and now you pull the ole switcharoo and say “oh well it only depends on the crowd he’s addressing.” :ehh:
As for the last line don’t know what that has to do with Obama being wholly absent during the whole PPACA process.
It had to do with you saying you saw Pelosi and Reid. And by only seeing them you missed seeing others for instance pushing back on a strong or any public option at all.
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