I would suggest means testing, short term helthcare, and other forms of temporary assistance for moms who are on welfare and get a job. I don’t think it’s fair that they loose government benefits right away when they become gainfully employed. I do think we need to hold people accountable, though and help them to get on their feet though.
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You are right it is not savings. But neither is is the government “giving” you money. It functions more like an insurance policy. (in fact that’s what the “I” means in SSI) If you pay into the system, you are able to withdraw from the system. If you paid the premiums on your car insurance, you expect to get money when you wreck your car - same thing with SSI.
Even our backwards state of Kansas all those services are already in place.
Yes and no. By a supreme court ruling there is no account created for individual tax payers the collected monies go into the treasury unencumbered. The accounting gimmick calling it a trust fund allows the treasury to take the money paid into the account and replace it with a special government bond. These bonds are not allowed to be sold on the open market so they have no real value except what the treasury wants to value them at the time of their redemption. Of course that day happens only when the cash flow into the government coffers are surplus. Otherwise all payment like what has been happening for the past 40 odd years, must come out of current treasury receipts or borrowed funds from the federal reserve. That big old surplus the politicians keep talking about are really only special bonds not real money. But then the US has been running on fiat money for a very long time now so what’s new?
It started off as a type of insurance policy. When it was started about half the people born were not expected to collect. If we had such as system today it would be easier to manage. But it transformed from an insurance policy to a dole system where the able bodied quit working to collect the dole.
That what trasfer payments mean. Thanks for playing.
My father retired at 46. After quitting high school and entering the Navy at 18 to fight in WWII.
this weekend by equating stay-at-home mothers to welfare recipients. Their headline:
We have to be careful about means testing. My grandfather was in every way a classic conservative-I don’t think he voted for a Democrat after Harry Truman. However, he grew up in the 1930’s on relief, and the one thing he always, always hated was the way means testing was conducted and had very strong feelings about how people on welfare/relief were treated-to him, the means test that his mother had to go through was the most dehumanizing and humiliating process imaginable, and it still got him angry at 85 years old.
It is not an insurance policy and never has been. It has been and continues to be marketed as one because no one would acquiesce to the Ponzi scheme the government is fostering trying to buy middle class votes.
If he found so humiliating his mother could have declined at any time.
It was never an insurance policy. the word insurance only appeared in the title of the bill and by what it was referred to in public discussions and media. The government never had individual accounts or policies.
I know plenty of young people that DONT and WONT work. They are just as happy to collect whatever government pay is out there to sit on thier backsides at thier mom and dads house.
That is true but the kids could starve go without shelter or clothing or who knows what else.
Well your right JimR it isn’t really that easy. But I don’t think that should stop us.
There are plenty of older people who don’t and won’t work as well. They are also happy to collect what the government pays out. And demand more, Medicare part D anyone? That is a pure welfare program, which was done George W. Bush.
I’m curious Stinkcat, how old are you, and do you work?