Rosalind Moss' New Community -Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel's Hope

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Dear Onetruechurch:

“Nuns properly so-called have solemn vows with a strict enclosure, regulated by pontifical law which prevents the religious from going out (except in very rare cases, approved by the regular superior and the bishop), and also the entrance of strangers, even females, under pain of excommunication.”

“Pious societies, which can only be called congregations by a wide extension of the word, are those which have no perpetual vows, such as the Daughters of Charity, who are free for one day in each year(they actually can leave the community forever), or those which, if they have perpetual vows, have no outward sign by which they can be recognized: this single fact is sufficient to deprive them of the character of religious congregations.”

With the revision of the Code of Canon Law, a Pious Society is no the term used. Institutes of Consecrated Life is the term commonly used.

The only reason that this information is being put forth is for a greater understanding of how Rosalind and her ermerging new community will function within the guidelines of the Roman Catholic Church. St. Louis Catholic Blogspot reported two days ago "St. Louis Catholic has learned that Archbishop Burke has asked Fr. Robertson, pastor of St. George Parish in Affton (Gardenville) to allow Rosalind Moss to found her new religious community at the now vacant convent there. Fr. Robertson has responded in the affirmative and is excited to have the new order in his parish. This church is very close to the southwest border of St. Louis City. " May we all continue to pray for God’s will and guidance for Rosaline and all her companions in this truly wonderful endeavor.
 
Dear Sister J,
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 Thank you for keeping us up to date.  

 "Father Robinson is excited to have the new "order" in his parish."  

 Part of my confusion is....is Rosalind's group considered an "order" or a "community" or both?  At first, I thought Rosalind told us she was forming a religious comminity but according to the articles from St Louis she is forming an order.  I appreciate your clarifying my confusion.

 Whatever her group is, technically speaking, she is tickled pink that she will be wearing the religious habit and will be giving her life to God.  God love her and all her followers!
 
onetruechurch said:
Dear Sister J,
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 Thank you for keeping us up to date.  

 "Father Robinson is excited to have the new "order" in his parish."  

 Part of my confusion is....is Rosalind's group considered an "order" or a "community" or both?  At first, I thought Rosalind told us she was forming a religious comminity but according to the articles from St Louis she is forming an order.  I appreciate your clarifying my confusion.

 Whatever her group is, technically speaking, she is tickled pink that she will be wearing the religious habit and will be giving her life to God.  God love her and all her followers!
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Speaking as an aspiring founder myself, “order” is shorter than “community” and that’s usually the word we start to use, when in fact we are just really starting a new community.

“Order” in the proper sense of the word, applies to the five great mendicant orders–Augustinians, etc. There was a certain time in the church when the pope said, “No more orders!” We’re not exactly sure what he meant by that, but everyone else had to take the name “institute” or “congregation” or “community.”

Roz is speaking in “generic” terms, if you will. The Nashville Diocesan newspaper, when showing a pic of six new final-professed religious sisters from the St. Cecilia Dominicans, the caption said, “New Nuns.”

We Americans, being lazy-tonged at times, like to take short-cuts. That’s essentially what’s happened here. Roz is founding a community of contemplative-active sisters.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
Thank you Cloisters!

Great explanation! By George, I think I’ve got it!

I’m sure Roz will not be offended if she reads the title of my thread. She will excuse my “lay person’s” ignorance.

Now we are all up to date on the correct words…but I can’t change the heading for my thread…sorry!
 
“Part of my confusion is…is Rosalind’s group considered an “order” or a “community” or both? At first, I thought Rosalind told us she was forming a religious community but according to the articles from St Louis she is forming an order. I appreciate your clarifying my confusion.”

Part of the problem stems from the terms being used interchangeably. Unless Rosalind affiliates with an existing order, she will first be recognized as a private or public association of the faithful, then as the congregation (and that is the best term) grows in time they will be given the status of a Diocesan Institute. The Marians in Lincoln Nebraska have been an institute of Diocesan rite for 20 some odd years. To become an institute of Pontifical rite will take obvious stability of life including numbers of professed sisters. The process from postulant to professed is between six and seven years.

And from something someone posted, Rosalind has stated they are starting with four…which is reasonable considering those four will have to receive formation. Normally there is a professed sister of a similar charism to assist in the formation.
After the initial formation, then new postulants can be accepted. Understand that this is the norm, Bishops can change certain things, but it still has to remain within the Canon Law of the Church. May we all pray for the transition each sister will be experiencing. Moving from California to the midwest and then into learning to live Jesus with each other requires much prayer - so please enter into this wonderful gift to the Church through your prayers and sacrifices that God will bless the Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel’s Hope.
 
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Announcement:

Rosalind will be the one hour guest on Journey Home EWTN this Monday evening

Where: EWTN tv (can also be seen directly off the web)

When: Monday April 7, 2008
8:00pm Eastern 5:00pm Pacific, etc.

Program: Journey Home

Subject: A show for converts to tell their story of “coming home” to the “one true church”. 🙂
 
onetruechurch said:
:idea:
Announcement:

Rosalind will be the one hour guest on Journey Home EWTN this Monday evening

Where: EWTN tv (can also be seen directly off the web)

When: Monday April 7, 2008
8:00pm Eastern 5:00pm Pacific, etc.

Program: Journey Home

Subject: A show for converts to tell their story of “coming home” to the “one true church”. 🙂
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Bump!
Today is the day of Rosalind’s interview. I’m sure she will be talking about her new community.
 
I just finished watching Journey Home.
Rosalind, the future Mother Mariam (I’m not sure of the correct spelling) gave a mailing address that can be used for the next few months:
Rosalind Moss
P O Box 582
L Mesa, CA 91944

She has a convent house in St Louis that will need a lot of work and is inviting anyone who wants to help paint, etc to join her in St Louis this summer. That would include both men and women.
 
onetruechurch said:
I just finished watching Journey Home.
Rosalind, the future Mother Mariam (I’m not sure of the correct spelling) gave a mailing address that can be used for the next few months:
Rosalind Moss
P O Box 582
L Mesa, CA 91944

She has a convent house in St Louis that will need a lot of work and is inviting anyone who wants to help paint, etc to join her in St Louis this summer. That would include both men and women.
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I saw the show today too. I’ve had the idea of being a sister on my mind for some time now. What I like about her order will be the age range. The thing I’m a little disappointed in is the location. I wish it were closer to where I live. :crying: I could so easily see myself in an order with her as the Mother Superior. But I do wish her and her future sisters all the best. May God truely bless them in all they do. :signofcross:

:kissme: Kathy
 
Irish_Kathy said:
I saw the show today too. I’ve had the idea of being a sister on my mind for some time now. What I like about her order will be the age range. The thing I’m a little disappointed in is the location. I wish it were closer to where I live. :crying: I could so easily see myself in an order with her as the Mother Superior. But I do wish her and her future sisters all the best. May God truely bless them in all they do. :signofcross:

:kissme: Kathy
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I wish it were out here on the other coast! The age range is right and so is the orthodoxy (and real habits 👍 ). My prayers certainly go with her!:crossrc:
 
"I wish it were out here on the other coast! "

St. Louis is roughly in the middle of the country by the Mississippi River. These women are making a great sacrifice - (most from the California area I do believe). It should not matter where, but whether God is calling one to this life, even if it should be in South America.

Besides God opened the door for Mother Miriam in the St. Louis Archdiocese. There were other avenues that were approached - only Archbishop Burke extended the invitation. I believe he understands the value of the visible sign of the evangelical counsels.

Blessings
 
It was with great admiration and joy that we watched the Journey Home episode last night with Rosalind Moss. What a tremendous blessing she is. I wish I could join the order! I’m certain that I am old enough…
 
LSG said:
It was with great admiration and joy that we watched the Journey Home episode last night with Rosalind Moss. What a tremendous blessing she is. I wish I could join the order! I’m certain that I am old enough…
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Canon Law states that no one under age 17 can join an order. However, a community can state in their constitutions that one has to be older to be considered for reception into the novitiate.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
brigid12 said:
I wish it were out here on the other coast! The age range is right and so is the orthodoxy (and real habits 👍 ). My prayers certainly go with her!:crossrc:
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Brigid – I completely agree with you about the location. I’m from Pittsburgh, PA so the location is a bit out of the question since my family is all from around here. But I think I’ve decided to at least write Rosalind and see what advice she has to give me.

:kissme: Kathy
 
Sister_J said:
"I wish it were out here on the other coast! "

St. Louis is roughly in the middle of the country by the Mississippi River. These women are making a great sacrifice - (most from the California area I do believe). It should not matter where, but whether God is calling one to this life, even if it should be in South America.

Besides God opened the door for Mother Miriam in the St. Louis Archdiocese. There were other avenues that were approached - only Archbishop Burke extended the invitation. I believe he understands the value of the visible sign of the evangelical counsels.

Blessings/QU

And I am in rural Missouri with a call to begin rural nuns who walk to witness to non-Catholics but also in the rural parishes down here. There is a great need for visible nuns who will visit the elderly, walk and witness on the street, and witness to the rural Catholic children who grow up never seeing a nun. In a rural area like I am in, a great witness as well is to be living pretty much off the grid. Witnessing to the rural poor, one can’t go home to a luxury monastery and make a difference in their mind. I am seeking others who feel this call.
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kathielee said:
And I am in rural Missouri with a call to begin rural nuns who walk to witness to non-Catholics but also in the rural parishes down here. There is a great need for visible nuns who will visit the elderly, walk and witness on the street, and witness to the rural Catholic children who grow up never seeing a nun. In a rural area like I am in, a great witness as well is to be living pretty much off the grid. Witnessing to the rural poor, one can’t go home to a luxury monastery and make a difference in their mind. I am seeking others who feel this call.
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Hi Kathielee. Your idea reminds me very much of Mother Teresa of Calcutta. She wanted to become one of the poor of Calcutta. Living exactly as they lived. I’ve been reading her book. I will keep you in my prayers. God will show you the way. 🙂
 
Sister_J said:
OneTrueChurch:

Here is a url for the parish church Rosaline will be in. It has Perpetual Adoration.

romeofthewest.com/2006/02/photos-of-saint-georges-church-affton.html

Go to the second picture and click on it to enlarge. I think the convent is on the back side of the building.

Sister J
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I was able to take some time today to look more carefully at the website that you gave us. Thank you so much for this website. I learned a lot of interesting history that was included with the snapshots of the church and surroounding area. I love the multi-colored bricks that were used before the 1950’s. When Roz mentioned the need to fix up the convent, I don’t think she meant the church itself because the church was beautiful and spick and span!

I couldn’t resist browsing through many more articles and sites on the website. I am sooooo impressed with Archbishop Burke’s diocese. They have a very friendly and enjoyable way to introduce junior high and high school aged young peope to religious life by inviting them to spend a fun weekend at the seminaries and convents. I have bookmarked the website. Thanks again.
 
onetruechurch said:
Oh Cloisters…it was such an exciting morning at the breakfast. Rosalind is going to BECOME a real live nun…veil and all. She will no longer be a “laylady” and she is beaming with enthusiasm. She was telling us her dream of “flooding” the subways and streets with habit clod real nuns teaching the truth of Catholicism. She wants “millions” of nuns all over the USA. She was telling about her plan of inviting people to dinner and in turn they were to invite the nuns to dinner. It didn’t matter whether they were the poorest of the poor or the richest of the rich. She wants to go everywhere in the US. People were laughing when she told about visiting the spiritually “poor” of the Hollywood area. All the nuns will be apologists spreading the truth.
She will be the head of the nuns (she didn’t call herself Mother because she plans to go through all the steps of becoming a nun and not jump immediately to Mother)
I am so happy to hear you will be knocking on her door. If I were widowed I would be joining you. I hope all widows consider this opportunity.
Rosalind Moss can be contacted through Catholic Answers. That’s the best contact I can give you at this early stage. We were the first people she told her news to because she had just received the official approval.
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Does anyone know if there Is there an email address for Rosalind Moss regarding her new religious order? I read that they’re going to be called “Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel’s Hope.” And no age limit for entrants!! What an exciting concept! God bless her efforts.
 
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