Rosalind Moss' New Community -Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel's Hope

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The claims made here for Wendy James group are rather misleading, for those seeking a vocation in Catholic religious life.

A married woman cannot be a Nun. Wendy James is married and a grandmother.

It is also inaccurate to say that the group is approved by the Varican in this way? As we all know, and as the foundress of the Order featured here shows so wondrously, the foundation of a new Catholic Order is a long and complicated process, none of whaih has been followed by this small group.

No they are not a Third order, or any order in the way in which this has always been been understood. And the quaility and nature of religious life is worth so much in the heart of the Church… That this group misses and distorts

By wearing the Holy Habit or Religion, by married women adopting Monastic dress, especially the white veil of a novice and virgin.

It is easy to see why this might be attractive, but it is so hollow.

True religious life is far, far more than the habit.

Wendy knows this at heart; she told one inquirer that she does not wear the habit all the time as her husband sometimes wants her to be just Wendy, and she cannot wear it if they are eating out at a restaurant.

That is Third Order life. And Third Orders are fine and strong, But this is in the guise of the holy habit and a deception thus. Status without the truth and fullness.

The habit is the only garb of a religious; not to be put on and off. It is sacred and holy, not a weekend gown.

That is why Holy Mother Church fosters them as it does Associations of the faithful; but it does not recognise them as Religious Orders.

And she does not either adopt or recognise religious groups that are outside herself as this group is.

The most misleading part of this post is the reference to words from the Vatican; these are simply stock replies to letters. Not recognition or approval.

That they are used as such shows a misapprehension of religious life, of the authority of Holy Mother Church that all here revere and adhere to.

Please; take great care with this group. Lest the strong and urgent desire that God has places in you to be a religious blind you here. And lead you away from the fullness of true religious life and purity and integrity in it

Some have done that with this group,t and been damaged spiritually and deflected from their true calling.

QUOTE=BarbaraTherese;3366105]The Servants of The Sacred Cross are not a Third Order incidentally. They are an Order in their own right not connected to any other Religious Order. They have their own unique Rule of Life. They are quite unique also in that they are ecumenical and open to married, single, divorced and widowed women of Anglican, Eastern Orthodox and our Catholic Faith. It is quite legitimate under Catholic Church Law to enter the SSC and they have been warmly welcomed by The Vatican (see extracts of Vatican dignitaries communications on their website). They have quite a few Catholic women Sisters - mostly married Sisters. One may live in one’s own home. There are no age or health limitations. They have also now newly founded a live in community of semi (at this point) contemplative Sisters in Nova Scotia in Canada. Sisters wear, mandatory only at certain times, a semi traditional religious habit.
They are growing at a very fast rate seeing they are only a relatively new and unique Order and Mother Wendy, their foundress and superior, has enquiries from all over the world. The SSC is Canadian in origin. They are certainly gaining a very firm footing in Australia with a reputation as very holy Sisters. Our Archbishop Hickey in Perth, Western Australia, has been extremely supportive of them and there are two married Catholic novices in his archdiocese, whom he received into the Order on behalf of the SSC. Mother Wendy visited Australia last year and may do so again next year.
Their website is very informative as well as the various newsletters giving news of what is happening in the Order along with pictures.
thesacredcross.org/

Blessings this Lent…Barb:)
 
Hopemercy said:
The claims made here for Wendy James group are rather misleading, for those seeking a vocation in Catholic religious life.

A married woman cannot be a Nun. Wendy James is married and a grandmother.

It is also inaccurate to say that the group is approved by the Varican in this way? As we all know, and as the foundress of the Order featured here shows so wondrously, the foundation of a new Catholic Order is a long and complicated process, none of whaih has been followed by this small group.

No they are not a Third order, or any order in the way in which this has always been been understood. And the quaility and nature of religious life is worth so much in the heart of the Church… That this group misses and distorts

By wearing the Holy Habit or Religion, by married women adopting Monastic dress, especially the white veil of a novice and virgin.

It is easy to see why this might be attractive, but it is so hollow.

True religious life is far, far more than the habit.

Wendy knows this at heart; she told one inquirer that she does not wear the habit all the time as her husband sometimes wants her to be just Wendy, and she cannot wear it if they are eating out at a restaurant.

That is Third Order life. And Third Orders are fine and strong, But this is in the guise of the holy habit and a deception thus. Status without the truth and fullness.

The habit is the only garb of a religious; not to be put on and off. It is sacred and holy, not a weekend gown.

That is why Holy Mother Church fosters them as it does Associations of the faithful; but it does not recognise them as Religious Orders.

And she does not either adopt or recognise religious groups that are outside herself as this group is.

The most misleading part of this post is the reference to words from the Vatican; these are simply stock replies to letters. Not recognition or approval.

That they are used as such shows a misapprehension of religious life, of the authority of Holy Mother Church that all here revere and adhere to.

Please; take great care with this group. Lest the strong and urgent desire that God has places in you to be a religious blind you here. And lead you away from the fullness of true religious life and purity and integrity in it

Some have done that with this group,t and been damaged spiritually and deflected from their true calling.
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Dear Gemma… Your loyalty is impressive, but as a lay person this is not a call you are able to make.

Mrs James has no Monastic experience in her own life; there have been events that we are not able at this time to speak of here.

And her protocols leave much to be desired; especially for one who will answer to God for what she does in this respect.

A wiser choice would have been for her to enter an established order herself.

Married women cannot be religious - period. It is a contradiction in terms - period.

Suffice it to say that as a Professed Nun of some 40 years standing, and a Monastic Historian of impeccable academic and Spiritual reputation, the grave concerns are only augmented and supported by your words. Because they show indeed a total lack of understanding of the founding of a religious order - by Mrs James and by yourself… An Order, that is, that seeks to include Catholic women in good standing.

Let us put this in a historical perspective.

You surely know that Anglican Orders are relative newcomers. It was only after Catholic Emancipation and in the mid-1800s that the first appeared in England.

And they were allowed to be set up and run with no approval, and thus no supervision and no experience. Indeed, many of the first Sisters and founders left the Anglican church because of this.

As many still do.

In Holy Mother Church - and this is very germane to a a thread that is speaking very cogently and intelligently of the proper way to set up a religious order - we have a wonderful supervision, based on nearly 2000 years of Monastic Experience and tradition. As we read here, every step is closely supervised and must adhere to the protocols. Every new aspect must have Canonical permission in Holy Obedience to Rome.

This is our safeguard and our humility as Catholic religious. And it obviates and to a large extent protects vulnerable women and men from leaders who have no experience or background in religious life eg lay folk like Mrs James.

If this were an Anglican order, that is a different matter altogether. Mrs James began it as an Anglican order, then changed Church… NB She is not Catholic. At first she refused to even consider the ecumenical angle.

So she is not the fit person to have the care of Catholic religious. How could she be?

There are no Vatican guidelines for this type of order, So there is no supervision and no safeguard for Catholic women.

So this group will never have any canonical status or protection

When things are not done properly within this group, then there is no recourse of any kind.

The misuse of the Holy Habit of Religion, especially the WhiteVeil, which has been a sign of Virginity and Consecration since time immemorial alone gives huge reason to see this group in a poor light.

It will give a very strange message to children that Mom dresses up as a Nun from time to time.

The mere idea of amarried woman seeking to become a religious is bizarre.It negates her sacred marriage vows. And shows that she has no real idea of what being a religious means; of the total and complete dedication of every part of life, of every relationship.

This cannot be done by a married woman.

It would be a form of adultery.

There are two parallels here that show how utterly needful strict supervision is…

Look at this site please…

catholic-church.org/hermitage/

Irene Gibson, was the first woman in Ireland to take Canon 603 vows as a hermit. She raised some 20,000 sterling from people here in Ireland to build this complex.

Then she rejected the Catholic Church and went on TV to slate them. And set up this order.

She did have a small amount of experience as a Benedictine in the UK, but not what was needed to found an Order.

Few came and no one stayed, and finally she abandoned the property.

The second example relevant is a small Benedictine order in the US.

See

accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-168284160/ecumenical-monastery-wisconsin-charts.html

And they lost the Blessed Sacrament by doing this. Which is central to any Catholic Order

As I have said, this matter is highly relevant to this thread

Because we in Holy Mother Church have a sound and careful formation protocol.

Which is being described here.

One that does not exist in the Anglican tradition.

So this group can never have any canonical name.

Because Mrs James is not Catholic

Or a Nun.

Please, do not insult by this kind of post. We know whereof we speak. And the deep concerns remain and are only reinforced by your postings.

Sadly your words show your own lack of any real understanding of these matters

This thread shows the right way, a long and laborious process.

NB no way would we suggest that anyone write to you on this… These are confidential matters in very good hands with us.
 
I happen to be under the guidance of a hermit-canonist and my OP SD was involved with the Fellowship of Emerging Religious Communities. He is presently involved in full-time formation. Our foundation is supported by a number of diocesan hermits.
If you are in a leadership position, charged with dealing with matters such as Mrs James, make yourself known. There is no reason to hide–if you are indeed what you purport to be.

Otherwise, I would request that the thread be rightfully returned to the subject.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
All that is needful has been said, and all very germane indeed to this thread.

Thank you for confirming my words and intentions.

UOTE=Cloisters;5862467]I happen to be under the guidance of a hermit-canonist and my OP SD was involved with the Fellowship of Emerging Religious Communities. He is presently involved in full-time formation. Our foundation is supported by a number of diocesan hermits.
If you are in a leadership position, charged with dealing with matters such as Mrs James, make yourself known. There is no reason to hide–if you are indeed what you purport to be.

Otherwise, I would request that the thread be rightfully returned to the subject.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
Dear “HopeMercy” - a very strange username for someone who seems so rigid and judgmental. Have you talked to Mother James? Have you had any contact with the SSC sisters-(yes, I said sisters)? One of Jesus’ mainstay teachings was to the Pharisses, who kept the letter of the law but did not have any spirit of the law of love. That is what you lack as you look at the SSC, and it is what “Holy Mother Church” sometimes lacks and has lacked at many points in history. Where love was called for, only canon laws were applied. This does keep most people towing the line, but it can make for a cold and loveless church. Jesus thought so.

Thanks Cloisters, for your words of wisdom and defense of Mother Wendy and the SSC. No official canon was required for Paul to minister to the many churches in Asia Minor. It was his heart, his love, and his faith in Jesus’ legacy and in the Holy Spirit which led him, that gave him his credentials. Jesus did not require any of the 12 to attend 8 years of expensive collegiate theological training. Love and faith were enough for Him, as it should be for you and “Holy Mother Church”.
 
Dear Child,

Personal gibes do not impress.

You mistake what we wrote totally which supports the truth here.

So you are not Catholic and you count as nothing the wisdom and experience of two thousand years?

That is what is being said here. A care taken re Catholic Women who are seeking a safe vocation.

we are the least pharisaical of Nuns - but we value and know the deep essence of religious life.

Which in your emotionalism seem unaware of?

One thing Gemma said … that orders exist to fulfil the desires of women; Nuns do not seek self fulfilment but to serve totally in obedience and humility.

That is why in this case Canon Law is a safeguard and a deep caring. Not pharisaical; and that is why the new Order on this thread is strong and true and will prosper.

No one is saying that there should not be sisters.

You ignore the realities we spoke of. That a married woman cannot be a Nun- period. That that would be adultery. Because the Vows of a religious are spousal.

This is why there are eg Third Orders. Room for a deeper commitment without the total an utter commitment that religious make.

And that is why also the wearing of the Monastic habit is wrong for Third orders; something else that Catholic Canon Law respects.

And why wild cards are so dangerous

And how cults develop

There are many like this in other Churches. But thahkfully we keep a purer form of religious life in the Catholic Faith.

Yes we know Mrs James well, and her group, sadly only too well and with regrets of that encounter. And deep concern for what is going on there.

And thankfulness for Holy Mother Church and the care she takes over souls

Care is not legalism; indeed not.

Had she any real awareness or humility, the Veil would be removed and the habit.

That is the difference here of course.

If we see a policman in uniform, we have the right to expect that he really is a policman, If you see a woman dressed as a nun, you expect her to be a Nun; not a wife and mother

Dress matters. It is not for us, but for others; not a status symbol.

So , please, show some respect and maturity?

And see this in the broader context of the suffering now of many who were abused by orders- because of the lack of strict supervision.

The care of others is the heart of Jesus; our own needs come way after that.

Love is for others.

We bless your angry jourmey and wish you peace; God never gives a desire without the means to fulfil it - but we cannot always dictate that way.

Incidentally I was sure I had unsubbed from this thread and wil do so now. what has been said has been said and is truth. Angry rants do not impress.
 
hi hopemercy!

i found your points sound and true.👍 I’ll underline the the points which i want to repeat over and over again. There’s one thing I fear of: married nuns.
Hopemercy said:
Dear Child,

Personal gibes do not impress.

You mistake what we wrote totally which supports the truth here.

So you are not Catholic and you count as nothing the wisdom and experience of two thousand years?

That is what is being said here. A care taken re Catholic Women who are seeking a safe vocation.

we are the least pharisaical of Nuns - but we value and know the deep essence of religious life.

Which in your emotionalism seem unaware of?

One thing Gemma said … that orders exist to fulfil the desires of women; Nuns do not seek self fulfilment but to serve totally in obedience and humility.

That is why in this case Canon Law is a safeguard and a deep caring. Not pharisaical; and that is why the new Order on this thread is strong and true and will prosper.

No one is saying that there should not be sisters.

You ignore the realities we spoke of. That a married woman cannot be a Nun- period. That that would be adultery. Because the Vows of a religious are spousal.

This is why there are eg Third Orders. Room for a deeper commitment without the total an utter commitment that religious make.

And that is why also the wearing of the Monastic habit is wrong for Third orders; something else that Catholic Canon Law respects.

And why wild cards are so dangerous

And how cults develop

There are many like this in other Churches. But thankfully we keep a purer form of religious life in the Catholic Faith.

Yes we know Mrs James well, and her group, sadly only too well and with regrets of that encounter. And deep concern for what is going on there.

And thankfulness for Holy Mother Church and the care she takes over souls

Care is not legalism; indeed not.

Had she any real awareness or humility, the Veil would be removed and the habit.

That is the difference here of course.

If we see a policeman in uniform, we have the right to expect that he really is a policeman, If you see a woman dressed as a nun, you expect her to be a Nun; not a wife and mother

Dress matters. It is not for us, but for others; not a status symbol.

So , please, show some respect and maturity?

And see this in the broader context of the suffering now of many who were abused by orders- because of the lack of strict supervision.

The care of others is the heart of Jesus; our own needs come way after that.

Love is for others.

We bless your angry jourmey and wish you peace; God never gives a desire without the means to fulfil it - but we cannot always dictate that way.

Incidentally I was sure I had unsubbed from this thread and wil do so now. what has been said has been said and is truth. Angry rants do not impress.
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I know of mothers who later became nus, like St Jane Frances de Chantal, Blessed Mary of Incarnation… etc. They became nuns after annulment, or after being widowed, they didn’t became nuns while having a human husband.
 
One thing Gemma said … that orders exist to fulfil the desires of women

Where did I say this? I never would have said anything like that.

If you’re going to quote me, get it right. In reparation, I join this to Jesus’ words being twisted by those who killed Him.

All of our hermits are Catholics in good standing. You mock the mercy of God and the grace of conversion by saying that they–or any of our other emerging charism aspirants-- are not.

We have the support and the personnel to make these charisms come to pass.

When Wendy is ready to approach the Catholic Church for approval of what is a lay association of the faithful, we will be there to support her.

Sr. Rosalind’s community will also bear fruit.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
:confused::confused:

Please don’t use Sister Rosalind’s thread for your discussions about someone else. I couldn’t make any sense out of all the “Wendy” comments.

This thread is about Sister Rosalind.

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“He who is not against us is for us” - “by their fruits you will know them”. Mother Wendy’s Servants of The Sacred Cross are not strictly speaking “nuns” - rather they are a type of religious sister - a completely new type of religious sister. It is not at all unusual for the totally new to have its critics and detractors and not unusual for what challenges our understanding and is too totally new to grasp to be feared and the “fight or flight” principal locks in - and to speak against someone is to “fight”. Mother Wendy is an approachable, friendly and warm person indeed and all reports I have come across are that The Servants of The Sacred Cross are a dedicated and absolutely devout community that have been welcomed by those Catholic Bishops in whose diocese Mother Wendy has sought to establish communities - where they have come to be thought of most highly. There is nothing in our Canon Law to preclude their existence.
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:cool:I do hope that rosalind Moss is able to attract candidates and that her community grows, God bless her. As far as the Servants of the Sacred Cross, I’m sure they are good women who wish to do the work of the Lord.Hopefully they will gain approval of Holy Mother Church and become one with her.

No married women can’t be nuns or sisters as far as I know, but widows can.
Married people can belong to third orders, like St.Elizabeth of Hungary and many others
even today do so.

I think we just need to give both these women a chance to do what God wants of them.
If they are truly guided by the Holy Spirit it will come to pass. It may take time and they will endure many troubles and trials, but I hope they do succed if it is the will of Our Lord,Jesus.
 
HollyDolly said:
:cool:I do hope that rosalind Moss is able to attract candidates and that her community grows, God bless her.
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Anyone with questions or doubts about Sister Rosalind may address her directly by phone this coming Wednesday. I will make an official announcement closer to the date. Talk to her directly and you will find out how successful she already is.
Some of you are newcomers to this thread and don’t realize that Sister Rosalind has already gone through all the red tape necessary for founding her community. She has more than enough candidates but will not be officially starting her community until she finishes her year with the very holy Visitation Sisters back east.
Keep this number handy so you can be one of the first callers this Wednesday at 4:00PM pacific time. 1-888-318-7884 :nun1:
 
onetruechurch said:
Anyone with questions or doubts about Sister Rosalind may address her directly by phone this coming Wednesday. I will make an official announcement closer to the date. Talk to her directly and you will find out how successful she already is.
Some of you are newcomers to this thread and don’t realize that Sister Rosalind has already gone through all the red tape necessary for founding her community. She has more than enough candidates but will not be officially starting her community until she finishes her year with the very holy Visitation Sisters back east.
Keep this number handy so you can be one of the first callers this Wednesday at 4:00PM pacific time. 1-888-318-7884 :nun1:
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Bump!

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I hope someone here is able to call her today.

1-888-318-7884
 
The name of her order has been changed to “Daughters of Mary, Mother of Our Hope”. I believe it has been changed to avoid confusion of it being a Jewish outreach. She talks about it in the 12/2/2010 CA show.
 
whm said:
The name of her order has been changed to “Daughters of Mary, Mother of Our Hope”. I believe it has been changed to avoid confusion of it being a Jewish outreach. She talks about it in the 12/2/2010 CA show.
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Is her website going to change to that, also? If so, I wonder if the url will end up being different. (I have it bookmarked…lol)
motherofisraelshope.org/
 
whm said:
The name of her order has been changed to “Daughters of Mary, Mother of Our Hope”. I believe it has been changed to avoid confusion of it being a Jewish outreach. She talks about it in the 12/2/2010 CA show.
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Makes much more sense! Once the Cloisterite hermits got started, I changed the name from “Society” to “Anchoresses” to better express the charism.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
onetruechurch said:
:confused::confused:

Please don’t use Sister Rosalind’s thread for your discussions about someone else. I couldn’t make any sense out of all the “Wendy” comments.

This thread is about Sister Rosalind.

:nun1::amen:
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I ditto that!!!
 
WICatholic said:
Is her website going to change to that, also? If so, I wonder if the url will end up being different. (I have it bookmarked…lol)
motherofisraelshope.org/
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I think the URL has been changed. I went to the website and while the site itself still says ‘Mother of Israel’s Hope’ and that it is still under construction, the address at the top of the Explorer flipped over to the new name right after the page opened.
 
Beachcomber said:
I think the URL has been changed. I went to the website and while the site itself still says ‘Mother of Israel’s Hope’ and that it is still under construction, the address at the top of the Explorer flipped over to the new name right after the page opened.
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You’re right. I just checked, and it does just that. I didn’t notice that the other day when I asked. Thanks! I’ll bookmark it under the new url.
motherofourhope.org/

God bless!
 
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