Russian lawmakers pass anti-gay bill in 436-0 vote

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Russia:
89% said they had no homosexual friends or relatives
87% said they did not want gay pride parades to take place in Russian cities
85% opposed same-sex marriage
80% felt same-sex couples should not be granted adoption rights
61% would be profoundly upset if their children or grandchildren had fallen victim to homosexuality propaganda
**27% thought gay people needed psychological treatment
**23% felt that gay people should be left alone
22% thought there should be compulsory treatment for them
16% thought that gay people should be isolated from society

**5% thought that homosexuals should be ‘liquidated’
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When asked the question, “What is your personal feeling toward gay and lesbians?”
**50% said they felt irritated and disgusted
**18% said they felt a sense of alertness
4% said that homosexuals evoked a positive response
Some of these responses…I suggest you read up on your Catholic faith. Such bigotry that is starting to grow in Russia is NOT endorsed by your church. It’s going well beyond disagreeing with Gay Marriage/Adoption and is becoming a denial of equal protections and a shunning of LGBT citizens.
 
From the article: “A widespread hostility to homosexuality is shared by much of Russia’s political and religious elite. Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia’s already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled.”

Now this may just be the spin of a reporter putting his own opinion into the story, but it could also hold some worrisome truth.

IMO, the gay rights movement in this country has been successful ONLY because they have correctly diagnosed the tendency in the past by our culture to dehumanize gay PEOPLE, not just behavior. They’ve done a masterful job of showing the human face of gay people and using that as a tool to manipulate the (legitimate) conscience of people who realized that injustices had been committed into accepting not just the human dignity of the people involved, but the behaviors they are inclined to.

Russians should not be cheered for despising gay people and forcing them into unwanted psychological treatment or being barred from jobs that have nothing to do with their sexual behaviors. That ill treatment will, ironically, be the source of normalizing gay behaviors there too.

Instead, christians must apply the lessons we’ve learned in OTHER situations of moral problems. Few people despise or shun unwed mothers anymore and it did not require that christians compromise our moral teaching on fornication (even if society at large did). Nobody hates alcoholics, but it didn’t require us to encourage them to drink up either.

It’s hard to separate actions from persons, but we must. People always possess the dignity of having been made in God’s image, even when the actions they commit are vile.
But when a belief system does not have a God, which by all practical means, many on the left do not have, then how do they measure their fellow human beings
A college professor has been arrested for a profane rant at pro-life students at the University of Buffalo.
This is probably why we are seeing such tyranny from the left via IRS discrimination, Napolitano warning of “right wing extremism” among veterans, SPLC designations on people and countless other cases. Secularists have no boundaries.
 
But when a belief system does not have a God, which by all practical means, many on the left do not have, then how do they measure their fellow human beings?
They haven’t yet dealt with that problem or even recognized it as a problem. They take human dignity as a given without examining the underpinnings of it philosophically. I share your concern that this lack of foundation will cause the “human rights” house to collapse spectacularly and we will be left with an old fashioned power politics structure that demands adherance to the state religion (which won’t be called by that word) or face the consequences.

But that’s another topic. As christians, it should be our concern that gay people be seen FIRST as people, not as “gays.” At most, gay is an adjective, not a noun. It’s not a thing to celebrate if Russia considers the word ‘gay’ to be a noun with a negative meaning.
 
What we have now is not only affirmation of the person but celebration of the sin. Homosexuality is a cause to celebrate and -]almost/-] worship…
Any talk of sin or being displeased is immediately seen as -]intolerant/-] hate
Edited for precision, fix. 😉 😃
 
So freedom of speech and assembly are only good in certain circumstances?
The parameters are clearly defined. The Russians, I am certain, are watching what is happening in America. Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993. Confusing children and others, as is being done in the United States right now, is the issue. At first, same-sex marriage was presented as something gay people wanted - the end. But state after state that allowed it did not see gay couples just going to work, coming home and living out their domestic lives. Instead, the US is getting gay indoctrination from as young as 5 years old in public schools and across all segments of society: the media, boy scouts, in your face gay propaganda. You want to live and let live? Then don’t get gay lobbyists to do kooky things like telling politicians to pass a law for a mandatory Gay History Month. No Hispanic History Month or Native American History Month? How did those kids story books end up in public schools?

Ed
 
May be am a horrible Catholic Christian gut I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of Assembly. We applaud to see these rights limited to LGBT lobby but would be shocked and angry if the US legislature limited these rights for Catholics.
They’re already limiting our rights. Hate speech? Would you like a list?

Ed
 
I would take a slightly different view. I do not think it is fair to say in the past people hated homosexual persons or unwed mothers or alcoholics. In fact, there was help for these folks. Medical therapy was sought out, now that is basically forbidden. Unwed mothers had places to help with adoption and care while pregnant. Now we have abortion.

What we have now is not only affirmation of the person but celebration of the sin. Homosexuality is a cause to celebrate and almost worship. Unwed mothers are also celebrated and seen as a sign of freedom.

Any talk of sin or being displeased is immediately seen as intolerant.
Hate was limited in the United States to defined groups, and the Catholic Church never preached hate. Scandal was never celebrated in the past. There were homes for ‘wayward girls’ and unwed mothers had something called families or access to adoption agencies. No one encouraged their daughter to be an unwed mother. In the 1960s, it was drilled into our heads: “No sex before marriage!!” Dating did not include sexual intercourse. Period. And on those occasions where the bride to be got pregnant, both took responsibility and got married. There was something called OPEN SCANDAL - you didn’t do it. Gossip was out as well. Divorce was rare. Abortion was illegal. Being a loud-mouthed, profanity spewing, public drug using jerk was rare. And quickly shut down by your sober neighbors.

Today - scandal is celebrated, sexual deviancy is celebrated, the “private” lives of celebrities - true or not - is celebrated, especially if it involves sexual, lurid and scandalous details (I’m hoping the ‘guess which Hollywood celebrity is gay’ phase ends soon). Being gay and out is happening more and more. And we are being taught the lie called homophobia. Like a recent sports figure who decided to come out. What? His teammates cringe in the corner whenever he walks by? They run in fear if he walks into a room? Face it - just like the late 1960s, we’re being lied to, again.

“Oh we just want a little bit.” 5,000 miles later and it’s still not enough. ‘We want gay adults to mentor boy scouts.’ Why? ‘Oh, no particular reason.’

Bridge in Brooklyn - price slashed.

Ed
 
Hate was limited in the United States to defined groups
Ed
But for those “defined groups” life wasn’t so great was it?

Other than that life was A-OK right?

The good ole’ days. . . :rolleyes:

The grass is always greener over the septic tank.
 
Hate was limited in the United States to defined groups, and the Catholic Church never preached hate. Scandal was never celebrated in the past. There were homes for ‘wayward girls’ and unwed mothers had something called families or access to adoption agencies. No one encouraged their daughter to be an unwed mother. In the 1960s, it was drilled into our heads: “No sex before marriage!!” Dating did not include sexual intercourse. Period. And on those occasions where the bride to be got pregnant, both took responsibility and got married. There was something called OPEN SCANDAL - you didn’t do it. Gossip was out as well. Divorce was rare. Abortion was illegal. Being a loud-mouthed, profanity spewing, public drug using jerk was rare. And quickly shut down by your sober neighbors.

Today - scandal is celebrated, sexual deviancy is celebrated, the “private” lives of celebrities - true or not - is celebrated, especially if it involves sexual, lurid and scandalous details (I’m hoping the ‘guess which Hollywood celebrity is gay’ phase ends soon). Being gay and out is happening more and more. And we are being taught the lie called homophobia. Like a recent sports figure who decided to come out. What? His teammates cringe in the corner whenever he walks by? They run in fear if he walks into a room? Face it - just like the late 1960s, we’re being lied to, again.

“Oh we just want a little bit.” 5,000 miles later and it’s still not enough. ‘We want gay adults to mentor boy scouts.’ Why? ‘Oh, no particular reason.’

Bridge in Brooklyn - price slashed.

Ed
Well said.

I find we tend to demonize the past when it was not perfect by any means there were common standards that most observed and served society well. No longer true at all.
 
Well said.

I find we tend to demonize the past when it was not perfect by any means there were common standards that most observed and served society well. No longer true at all.
There were common standards like black people should drink from their own water fountains and go to their own “separate but equal” schools.

There were standards such as domestic violence didn’t exist and their was no such thing as spousal rape.

There were standards such as handicapped children should be sent away to institutions or kept hidden from the public.

And lastly, there was the standard of clerical sex abuse which was hidden at all costs.

Yeah, the good ole days. . . . .
 
The parameters are clearly defined. The Russians, I am certain, are watching what is happening in America. Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993. Confusing children and others, as is being done in the United States right now, is the issue. At first, same-sex marriage was presented as something gay people wanted - the end. But state after state that allowed it did not see gay couples just going to work, coming home and living out their domestic lives. Instead, the US is getting gay indoctrination from as young as 5 years old in public schools and across all segments of society: the media, boy scouts, in your face gay propaganda. You want to live and let live? Then don’t get gay lobbyists to do kooky things like telling politicians to pass a law for a mandatory Gay History Month. No Hispanic History Month or Native American History Month? How did those kids story books end up in public schools?
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The parameters are clearly defined. The Russians, I am certain, are watching what is happening in America. Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993. Confusing children and others, as is being done in the United States right now, is the issue. At first, same-sex marriage was presented as something gay people wanted - the end. But state after state that allowed it did not see gay couples just going to work, coming home and living out their domestic lives. Instead, the US is getting gay indoctrination from as young as 5 years old in public schools and across all segments of society: the media, boy scouts, in your face gay propaganda. You want to live and let live? Then don’t get gay lobbyists to do kooky things like telling politicians to pass a law for a mandatory Gay History Month. No Hispanic History Month or Native American History Month? How did those kids story books end up in public schools?

Ed
So . . . uh Ed. . . . What about Black History Month. . . you cool with that?
 
From the article: “A widespread hostility to homosexuality is shared by much of Russia’s political and religious elite. Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia’s already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled.”

Now this may just be the spin of a reporter putting his own opinion into the story, but it could also hold some worrisome truth.

IMO, the gay rights movement in this country has been successful ONLY because they have correctly diagnosed the tendency in the past by our culture to dehumanize gay PEOPLE, not just behavior. They’ve done a masterful job of showing the human face of gay people and using that as a tool to manipulate the (legitimate) conscience of people who realized that injustices had been committed into accepting not just the human dignity of the people involved, but the behaviors they are inclined to.

Russians should not be cheered for despising gay people and forcing them into unwanted psychological treatment or being barred from jobs that have nothing to do with their sexual behaviors. That ill treatment will, ironically, be the source of normalizing gay behaviors there too.

Instead, christians must apply the lessons we’ve learned in OTHER situations of moral problems. Few people despise or shun unwed mothers anymore and it did not require that christians compromise our moral teaching on fornication (even if society at large did). Nobody hates alcoholics, but it didn’t require us to encourage them to drink up either.

It’s hard to separate actions from persons, but we must. People always possess the dignity of having been made in God’s image, even when the actions they commit are vile.
Our culture in America did what? Prior to 1973, homosexuality was diagnosed as a disorder by the American Psychological Association. I was there before 1973. I knew there were gay people and what being gay meant, but thought nothing further. No one I knew wanted to dehumanize gay people. Russia decriminalized homosexuality in 1993, so you can’t get arrested just for being gay.

The injustice that occurred, and is still occurring, is that gay people are no longer encouraged to seek treatment, as individuals, for their unwanted behavior. That injustice occurred because radical gay activists inside and outside the APA forced a vote - not using science - to remove homosexuality as a disorder from their Diagnostic and Statistical Manual. Next, sodomy laws were overturned. Next, gay marriage. ‘It’s OK, your honor. Professionals in the APA say it’s OK.’

I hope people wake up to the fact that named professionals in a named organization provided what they called evidence to convince judges.

amazon.com/Homosexuality-American-Psychiatry-Politics-Diagnosis/dp/0691028370

I had no problems in the past working with gay, lesbian and bisexual people. We were all held to the same work standards. What they did on their own time was none of my business, it was not brought up and we got along. What changed? Same-sex marriage on the ballot. When voted down in Michigan, one letter published in a Detroit newspaper brought it down to the standard, analytical and rational reason: “Michigan, the great hate state.” Yeah, little 8 year old Bobby hates gays. Gay marriage on the media, 24/7 and in your face, and in your kids’ public school. That’s the issue the Russians want to avoid.

Ed
 
So . . . uh Ed. . . . What about Black History Month. . . you cool with that?
You are comparing unlike things. In a room with one woman, one black man and one Chinese man, which one is gay? Being black has nothing to do with sexual orientation. And the answer to the question is ‘none.’

Ed
 
You are comparing unlike things. In a room with one woman, one black man and one Chinese man, which one is gay? Being black has nothing to do with sexual orientation. And the answer to the question is ‘none.’

Ed
You expressed a disdain for Hispanic History month and I was just a. . . throwing out there if you were OK with Black History Month.

Off topic a bit. . . just was struck by your post. . .

I like to see what I’m up against.
 
There were common standards like black people should drink from their own water fountains and go to their own “separate but equal” schools.

There were standards such as domestic violence didn’t exist and their was no such thing as spousal rape.

There were standards such as handicapped children should be sent away to institutions or kept hidden from the public.

And lastly, there was the standard of clerical sex abuse which was hidden at all costs.

Yeah, the good ole days. . . . .
Yes, the pan sexuality today and the glorification of abortion and deviant sexual acts and lifestyles. The wonderful music that includes profanity and degrading things about women. The dictatorship of relativism that causes people to fear to speak about what is true. The empty Churches. Planned Parenthood worshiped in the White House. Homosexual Month that glorifies disordered desires and evil acts. Children now adopted by two men acting as mom and dad. Women selling their eggs for money. People calling psychiatric conditions physical deformities and engaging in mutilation surgery to calm their inner demons.

I could go on but I will stop there. Back to the hedonism and narcissism that so typifies modern culture and reasoning.
 
Responding to the few recent posts…

Multiculturalism is a wonderful thing…within a balanced context of a unified culture as well. The way it has emerged in the last half of the 20th century and going forward, is competing subcultures and the eclipse of a common culture. It is a further radicalization of the United States, which is more than a geographical definition.

It used to be, when we taught history, including U.S. history, that the history of our subcultures within our boundaries was also taught, as an aspect of ethnic history. Today that is not good enough. It’s a war. One must separate, in equal status, as it were, one “country within a country,” providing that “country” with its own separate “month,” and capitalizing its “History.”

We aren’t several nations. We are one nation, with certain distinguishing cultural characteristics as a nation, which makes us different from other nations with similar features such as democracy and personal freedoms. In addition, we have ethnic subcultures within our nation, brought from elsewhere. When discussing the history of the United States, the ethnic subcultures should not be taught as competitive with the unifying culture, as if the subcultures eclipse the unifying culture or are in a battle with the latter for domination. But that’s the way it appears to be when you have separate “months” to “celebrate” every conceivable ethnic, racial, gender, sexual subculture in the land. It’s Balkanization out of control. Frankly, it’s also somewhat revealing about the need for “identity” affirmation. If you need your identity affirmed publicly, you aren’t too sure of it.

I actually think it would promote a certain accuracy to have a separate curriculum about the history of immigration to the United States, feature those lands, their cultures, and how that intersection was achieved within the U.S. (And good K-12 curriculum has actually always done that. – Poles, Irish, Italians, Jews from Eastern Europe, Hispanics, Chinese, Japanese, Southeast Asians, etc.) It not only teaches different cultures and aspects of international history, it also teaches about some of the dynamics of immigration, how those have changed, and what is common – and not-- about the immigrant experience. This is teaching historiography, not just Identity Politics.and polemics.

It would always have been better either to have no particular “celebration” of competing “histories,” or to limit those to weeks instead of months, or to have a combined month of Immigrant and Ethnic History. But the reality is that the U.S. population can be manipulated by guilt (with regard to racial issues in particular), and can also be bullied, because of political realities.
 
Yes, the pan sexuality today and the glorification of abortion and deviant sexual acts and lifestyles. The wonderful music that includes profanity and degrading things about women. The dictatorship of relativism that causes people to fear to speak about what is true. The empty Churches. Planned Parenthood worshiped in the White House. Homosexual Month that glorifies disordered desires and evil acts. Children now adopted by two men acting as mom and dad. Women selling their eggs for money. People calling psychiatric conditions physical deformities and engaging in mutilation surgery to calm their inner demons.

I could go on but I will stop there. Back to the hedonism and narcissism that so typifies modern culture and reasoning.
Let alone STDs are epidemic and I’m sorry, one community is even associated heavily with one strand of HIV, killing 20,000 in San Francisco alone. So I don’t see how one can call these the good new days.

Some cancers increasing since the Pill came in as well.
 
Some of these responses…I suggest you read up on your Catholic faith. Such bigotry that is starting to grow in Russia is NOT endorsed by your church. It’s going well beyond disagreeing with Gay Marriage/Adoption and is becoming a denial of equal protections and a shunning of LGBT citizens.
So, what is anyone going to do about it? What protections are being denied? Gay propaganda in public schools, with kids as young as 5, gays demanding gay adult mentors in the boy scouts… I’m sure the Russian leadership is watching America right now. Hate speech? Remember?

Shunning? Where did you get that from? If I’m in a shopping mall and I see 100 people, answer me - which are gay? Honestly. I don’t know and I can’t tell. No one can.

If I spot a few guys wearing high heels and wearing little, black, short shorts, I still wouldn’t assume that they were gay.

There’s a lot of people that I avoid but none of them are gay.

Ed
 
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