Saint Xavier Catholic Church in NYC - "Do you affirm that white privilege is unfair"--"Woke" Catholic Church

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billsherman said:
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it is not a time to get political
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Why is the issue of racial justice political? Doesn’t every Catholic demand racial justice?
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Posters on an alter are political and talk of : white privilege" is political. No wonder I sometimes get accused of repeating myself.
 
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gam197 said:
Posters on an alter are political and talk of :white privilege" is political.
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How and why? Racial justice is a moral issue, not a political issue. Talking about racial justice during mass is a moral issue, not a political issue.
 
billsherman said:
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Posters on an alter are political and talk of :white privilege" is political.
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How and why? Racial justice is a moral issue, not a political issue. Talking about racial justice during mass is a moral issue, not a political issue.
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Yes Jesus talk about loving our neighbor and respecting each other. That is a moral issue. Even that is only discussed during the homily.
 
gam197 said:
Yes Jesus talk about loving our neighbor and respecting each other. That is a moral issue. Even that is only discussed during the homily.
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Oh. You’re only concerned about when he said this. If he did it during the homily you’d be cool with it.

That’s a lot better.

I really don’t know much of anything about liturgical standards and such, so I defer to others on that one. But I’m glad you recognize that racial justice is a moral imperative that can and should be discussed during mass.
 
billsherman said:
Oh. You’re only concerned about when he said this. If he did it during the homily you’d be cool with it.

That’s a lot better.

I really don’t know much of anything about liturgical standards and such, so I defer to others on that one. But I’m glad you recognize that racial justice is a moral imperative that can and should be discussed during mass.
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Again repeating myself. The mass is the Holy sacrament of the Catholic Church. Do you realize that? The liturgy is very important.

No I am not cool with political during the homily but the priest could have spoke on this is a very difference but effective manner.
 
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blackforest said:
If you deny that it exists, (and it does, but whatever), isn’t what he’s saying inconsequential to you?
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Not to make a big deal out of your post, but that sentence must have just “come out wrong”. When something is said, at the altar, to exist, and I think it does not, I should consider it inconsequential?
 
gam197 said:
This again is the Holy sacrament of the mass and really, it is not a time to get political
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Why is this political? I thought neither party supported racism. I am really surprised at the willingness to portray racial injustice as a political issue. I know the Democrats want this to be their issue, but it makes no sense to have a knee-jerk reaction to oppose racial justice. This is almost like the Bugs Bunny cartoon where Bugs switches to “rabbit season” and Daffy switches to duck season just to be contrary.
 
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Again repeating myself. The mass is the Holy sacrament of the Catholic Church. Do you realize that? The liturgy is very important.
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There are two issues here. One is what was said. The other is when it was said. I have seen a lot of announcements added to the end of the Mass that were mundane, even silly. I do not see where a prayer for racial justice would be worse than a sports update, if the parish was in need of this. Again, this priest was not making a national broadcast. He was addressing his parishioners.
 
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Again repeating myself. The mass is the Holy sacrament of the Catholic Church. Do you realize that? The liturgy is very important.
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And yet, Cardinal Dolan has not cited him for liturgical abuse. And it’s certainly not up to us to make that call for him.
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When something is said, at the altar, to exist, and I think it does not, I should consider it inconsequential?
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I think what a priest says is something you should take seriously. Some people in this thread aren’t taking him seriously. They don’t believe that white privilege exists. So essentially what they’re hearing is, “Do you promise to affirm that [thing that doesn’t even exist] is unfair?”

If you don’t believe in it, why is it a big deal to call it unfair? What harm does it do to you? Why do people feel so fragile, threatened, and easily offended by it?
 
So, has anyone listened this the priests homily? It was on the Gospel of the day, the one’s I listened to. He sounds just like a normal Catholic priest you would hear anywhere. Maybe he deserves the benefit of the doubt from those taking shots a him, ignorant of his parish’s needs and demographics.
 
There’s already a thread on this, but seeing so many people melt down over extending Gods love to non whites is telling.
 
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I looked and didnt see it, sorry

But how is affirming “white privilage must end” the same as treating all the same?
 
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pnewton said:
Maybe he deserves the benefit of the doubt from those taking shots a him, ignorant of his parish’s needs and demographics.
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Nah. If we just announce loudly that racial injustice doesn’t exist then we don’t have to do anything about it!
 
billsherman said:
Nah. If we just announce loudly that racial injustice doesn’t exist then we don’t have to do anything about it!
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You are writing as if this is an either/or situation. Either people deny racism of any sort exists anywhere in the US, or people believe that every single aspect of our society including hiring and marketing decisions is irredeemably racist.

I do not think this is true. I think only a few people think racism is ok, and that no one denies racism exists. I think most people think racism exists, is bad, needs improvement, and try to avoid racism. And then a few people think that racism permeates the entirety of our thinking, our history, and our society.

So, just because someone disagrees with what this priest did doesn’t mean they deny racism for the purpose of not having to reflect on themselves.
 
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So, just because someone disagrees with what this priest did doesn’t mean they deny racism for the purpose of not having to reflect on themselves.
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I have to wonder then why is so much being made of this. This pledge of his does not say how wide spread racism is.
 
So I did some homework for all.

https://sfxavier.org/news/a-prayer-and-pledge-for-racial-justice
A PLEDGE FOR RACIAL JUSTICE

The Church of St. Francis Xavier joins with people of faith and no faith, throughout the world, in committing itself to racial justice. And so we pledge together:

I SUPPORT justice, equity, and compassion in human relations.

I AFFIRM that white privilege is unfair and harmful to those who have it and to those who do not.

I AFFIRM that white privilege and the culture of white supremacy in which our nation and our church were founded and developed must be dismantled.

I SUPPORT racial equity, justice, and liberation for every person.

I AFFIRM the inherent worth and dignity of every person.

Therefore, from this day forward . . .

I WILL strive daily to understand white privilege and white supremacy and how their existence benefits me.
I COMMIT to help transform our church culture to one that is actively engaged in seeking racial justice and equity for everyone.

I WILL make a greater effort to treat all people with the same respect I expect to receive.

I COMMIT to developing the courage to live my beliefs and values of racial justice and equality.

I WILL strive daily to eliminate racial prejudice from my thoughts and actions so that I can better promote the racial justice efforts of our church.

I WILL renew and honor this pledge daily, knowing that our church, our community, our nation, and our world will be better places because of my efforts.
 
So, other than the rather controversial use of the term “white privilege,” I do not see any thing wrong with this. I doubt there is objection to a priest talking about “liberals” though which is an equally squishy and political term. Always remember to use the Golden Rule and do not gripe about that which you do. If it was me, I would alter this pledge somewhat to take out the terms which have become tainted with partisan bickering, just to make it cleaner and purer.
 
There is the use of the term white privelege, and there is the assumption that all white people are racist and need to work on that.
 
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