Saint Xavier Catholic Church in NYC - "Do you affirm that white privilege is unfair"--"Woke" Catholic Church

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European colonialism, segregation, apartheid, Jim Crow, toppling elected governments to install pro western dictators in non white countries… yeah, let’s pretend white Christians don’t have a history of subjugating non whites through violence.
 
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Fine. Let’s talk about how the Dems blocked anti-lynching bills, how KKK was Dem, how ot was Dems who promulgated Jim Crow laws…
 
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And let’s also talk about how the Aztecs colonized their neighbors to have enough people to cut their hearts out for human sacrifice how the Muslims spread their religion by the sword from Persia to Spain in 150 years, Chinese colonialism…
 
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Annie said:
There is the use of the term white privelege, and there is the assumption that all white people are racist…
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“Racist” is used in several ways. The way you did was like a label - something one is, or is no. This pledge at least avoids that term. “Racial injustice” is something that is a matter of degree. We may not have any sense of acting racially injustice most of our lives, but might on occasion have the stereotypes of society creep into our interactions. Maybe there are people who have no problem ever for their entire life with this particular sin. Are they his parishioners? He might have more of an issue with this than you and I.
 
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There is the use of the term white privelege
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Yes. And?
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the assumption that all white people are racist and need to work on that.
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Where does the priest say this? Privileged doesn’t mean racist. (I disagree with Robin D’Angelo’s conclusion here).

Sometimes privilege is unfair, especially for those who work hard and face more unjust stumbling blocks than you or I would. Sometimes privilege just is.

I’m more privileged than the homeless family living in their van. That doesn’t make me classist or hateful toward the homeless. It makes me aware of my own privilege and my responsibility towards others.

Think Luke 12:48.
 
Existing thread on this

https://forums.catholic-questions.o...ite-privilege-is-unfair-woke-catholic-church/

The priest led the prayer during announcement time and did not endorse any candidate, so he’s not putting himself in a position of incurring taxes.

There are plenty of left-leaning social-justice-focused Catholic communities out there, many run by orders and in urban areas. If you don’t like them, there’s another parish probably a short distance away to attend instead.
 
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ConcernedAmerican said:
European colonialism, segregation, apartheid, Jim Crow, toppling elected governments to install pro western dictators in non white countries… yeah, let’s pretend white Christians don’t have a history of subjugating non whites through violence.
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Is this a parody account? It’s a little too on the nose, dude.
 
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Sorry there’s just too many easy examples of white supremacism cloaked in religion.
 
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“Yet you say, ‘Why should not the son suffer for the iniquity of the father?’ When the son has done what is just and right, and has been careful to observe all my statutes, he shall surely live. The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
 
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Annie said:
There is the use of the term white privelege, and there is the assumption that all white people are racist and need to work on that.
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My brothers and sisters (we’re all around the 60 mark), often reminisce about attitudes we used to hold that were racist and we just genuinely didn’t know it. We just grew up in a culture that set certain baselines that we assumed were universal and Christian but they were in fact, skewed and in need of recalibrating. Once people start to believe they have all the facts needed and don’t need work on anything, that’s an illusion.
 
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Anytime the word “imply” pops up it means someone assumed something, and that assumption could be wrong.
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The only assumption is that “white privilege” exists. Why do we need a special word for white people’s alleged racism unless white people are especially evil?
 
English is not the easiest language, but it is what we are using here. Precision helps alleviate misunderstanding.
 
blackforest said:
I’m sitting at my dining room table, in my air-conditioned home, waiting for pizza to come out of the oven. Am I being “classist” against myself for pointing out that I have privileges that a family living out of their van doesn’t?
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Clearly you got there by exploiting everyone who lives in a van and need to be silent and listen to them inform you about how privileged you are and how your opinions have less moral standing than theirs because they are higher (or would that be lower?) on the oppression totem pole.
 
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Motherwit said:
Once people start to believe they have all the facts needed and don’t need work on anything, that’s an illusion.
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Just because people used to be or even are still unaware of certain things doesn’t mean an exaggerated formulation with a lot of baggage attached is correct.

ETA: my comments do not mean I think there are no racial problems in this country, I do. I just don’t go along with the critical-theory everything-is-racist ideas.
 
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So why do we need to be especially precise for white people only? Stop ducking the question.
 
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