Same-sex couple says priest denied them communion due to relationship

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I am not sure if anyone visited the parish website, but Fr Kneib is a youngster! I am not sure of his age, but he has a baby-face and was ordained in 2012. Here is a lengthy article about him finding his vocation
catholickey.org/2012/05/25/rev-benjamin-kneib-torn-by-call-to-service-new-priest-still-chose-the-few-and-the-proud/

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Any priest who takes such a public and unpopular stand, even though he is upholding the teachings of the Church, will be subjected to a lot of negative attention. A priest in that situation needs a lot of support from his bishop, from his fellow priests, and from ordinary Catholics. I wonder if Fr Kneib needs such support even more, given his youth and his freshness to the priesthood?
Yes, I did go to the web site, and realised the same thing. I was trying to figure out also if he has a bishop who will back him up, but I don’t know enough about the situation.

This young priest needs prayers!! And if anybody is in his parish, I hope they will tell him that they appreciate him.
 
I do not think that the priest is acting arbitrarily by denying same-sex couple communion. The position of the Church on same-sex marriage is clear and it is not a teaching invented by the Church but the Church is only being faithful to the teaching of the Scriptures and the mind of the Creator who "from the beginning made them male and female (Mt.19:4). The Catechism of the Catholic Church described same-sex relation as an act of grave depravity which is intrinsically disordered and can never be approved no matter the circumstance (Cf. n.2357). Canon 915 clearly says that “those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion”. Denying a person in this condition (though must be done with respect) is not an act of discrimination. Even in the eating of the Passover, which is a prefiguration of our Eucharist, God gave Moses specific instructions about the conditions of those who will partake of it (cf. Ex. 12:11-12; 43-44).
 
No that is not correct. They are holding themselves out to the world as a same-sex “couple”. That is sinful, regardless of whether or not they are having sexual relations. If they were just roommates, it wouldn’t matter if they were of the same gender but they said they were in a “relationship” and referred to the other as a “partner”.
And Saint Paul says the church has a DUTY to protect the teachings of Christ for His Church. He was talking about fornication and adultery an other serious sin!
 
As the priest should have done, but I am having trouble understanding how a couple in a same sex relationship of nearly 20 years considers themselves in good standing with the Catholic Church after attending locally for only the last 12 years during which time they have been living in unrepented and continual sin.

I think they have been confused for a very long time on this matter.
They ought to have known they were not spiritually fit to take communion.
 
If she is unaware of her own lack of knowledge and understanding, then she might honestly think that she is a Catholic in good standing.
And maybe she was counting on the lack of knowledge and understanding in the general public as well. The story just would sound so good with a “Yup, I don’t care about some of the basics, but I want it and they should give it to me” title.
In effect what people who are living as a gay or straight couple without the sacrament of Matrimony are doing is undermining that very sacrament. And Catholic teaching does not promote one sacrament (Eucharist in this case) at the expense of another, two if you count Penance. Hispanics, Poles, and others seem to get it; why can’t Americans?
 
In effect what people who are living as a gay or straight couple without the sacrament of Matrimony are doing is undermining that very sacrament. And Catholic teaching does not promote one sacrament (Eucharist in this case) at the expense of another, two if you count Penance. Hispanics, Poles, and others seem to get it; why can’t Americans?
The sad answer to your question is that some people choose to be obstinate in their sin. They refuse to repent and change their ways, but expect the Church to change to suit their sinful ways. And that is just wrong.
 
The sad answer to your question is that some people choose to be obstinate in their sin. They refuse to repent and change their ways, but expect the Church to change to suit their sinful ways. And that is just wrong.
Christianity is of no benefit if one thinks there is no such thing as sin.
 
The woman could just go to a different church. The way I see it is, why be somewhere that you are not wanted.
 
Yes, I did go to the web site, and realised the same thing. I was trying to figure out also if he has a bishop who will back him up, but I don’t know enough about the situation…
His parish is in the Diocese of St Kansas City-St. Joseph, and Fr. Kneib is a diocesan priest, so Bishop Finn must be his ordinary.

My knowledge of Bishop Finn is scant, but didn’t he recently reprimand the National Catholic Reporter (which is headquartered in the disocese)?
The woman could just go to a different church. The way I see it is, why be somewhere that you are not wanted.
The second news article, which GraceSofia linked to, mentions that the couple are now attending a church which is located about hour away. Considering the length of the drive, I would guess it is simply a different Catholic parish.
 
I hope the national media picks up on this story. It could be an opportunity for the secular media to cathecise Catholics who simply don’t know that they shouldn’t receive the Eucharist unworthily! ( I know many catholics who feel its their right to receive under a a whole range of immoral lifestyle and marital situations)
 
I hope the national media picks up on this story. It could be an opportunity for the secular media to cathecise Catholics who simply don’t know that they shouldn’t receive the Eucharist unworthily! ( I know many catholics who feel its their right to receive under a a whole range of immoral lifestyle and marital situations)
Maybe I’m dense and misreading this post. But, the secular media catechizing Catholics, and teaching them how to receive the Eucharist worthily? Maybe it’s just me, but I believe they’re doing the complete opposite. Come to think of it, the secular media is doing everything in their power to destroy the Catholic Church…period!

Peace, Mark
 
His parish is in the Diocese of St Kansas City-St. Joseph, and Fr. Kneib is a diocesan priest, so Bishop Finn must be his ordinary.

My knowledge of Bishop Finn is scant, but didn’t he recently reprimand the National Catholic Reporter (which is headquartered in the disocese)?
Bishop Finn was convicted in 2012 in a court of law for shielding a pedophile priest.

The National Catholic Reporter was critical of Bishop Finn as a result of this.

Bishop Finn then made critical comments of NCR in January 2013. His criticisms were related to their liberal slant on Catholicism.
 
Maybe I’m dense and misreading this post. But, the secular media catechizing Catholics, and teaching them how to receive the Eucharist worthily? Maybe it’s just me, but I believe they’re doing the complete opposite. Come to think of it, the secular media is doing everything in their power to destroy the Catholic Church…period!

Peace, Mark
Of course I agree with you that the media is trying to destroy the Church. My point though, is that should they bring this story to national attention, many lapsed catholics will find out that there’s a correlation between the Eucharist and ones proper disposition to receive.
 
Of course I agree with you that the media is trying to destroy the Church. My point though, is that should they bring this story to national attention, many lapsed catholics will find out that there’s a correlation between the Eucharist and ones proper disposition to receive.
There are many practicing Catholic,even Eucharist Ministers(in my parish) that fail to make this connection:eek:
 
Does it actually say somewhere that she is suing the church? I don’t get it, Did she not know? Are there Catholics that don’t know the church doctrine? Or, was she hiding it knowingly? I hope that isn’t the case, because, if I understand correctly, if she truly didn’t know and wasn’t hiding it, she didn’t hurt herself by taking communion, right? I wonder if she found an Epsicopal church to attend instead?
 
Does it actually say somewhere that she is suing the church? I don’t get it, Did she not know? Are there Catholics that don’t know the church doctrine? Or, was she hiding it knowingly? I hope that isn’t the case, because, if I understand correctly, if she truly didn’t know and wasn’t hiding it, she didn’t hurt herself by taking communion, right? I wonder if she found an Epsicopal church to attend instead?
In the US amongst those raised Catholic at least half are quite ignorant of vast sections of Church teaching.
 
Hispanics, Poles, and others seem to get it; why can’t Americans?
I had a discussion today with a bride-to-be who was horrified by the priest’s intention to test their knowledge, he planned to ask about Abraham and the Nicene Creed. She was furious and didn’t see what that “stupid Religious ed. stuff” has with her ability to get married and be a good Catholic wife and mother.

Also, a priest told her not to come to confession until she stops living as married with her boyfriend and she didn’t really see the point, but she took it as a sign not to go to confession until she is married. (But probably not even then because they will most likely be using NFP and see nothing wrong with that, the Church is just an old nag.)
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That wasn’t an American, unfortunately it’s just as bad elsewhere, it might seem a little better from a distance.
 
I had a discussion today with a bride-to-be who was horrified by the priest’s intention to test their knowledge, he planned to ask about Abraham and the Nicene Creed. She was furious and didn’t see what that “stupid Religious ed. stuff” has with her ability to get married and be a good Catholic wife and mother.

Also, a priest told her not to come to confession until she stops living as married with her boyfriend and she didn’t really see the point, but she took it as a sign not to go to confession until she is married. (But probably not even then because they will most likely be using NFP and see nothing wrong with that, the Church is just an old nag.)
:confused: :eek:

That wasn’t an American, unfortunately it’s just as bad elsewhere, it might seem a little better from a distance.
Those darn heterosexuals are ruining our Church, we should telling them that fornication is intrinsically disordered and a moral evil out of love for their souls.
 
Those darn heterosexuals are ruining our Church, we should telling them that fornication is intrinsically disordered and a moral evil out of love for their souls.
Actually, this is something that they should have learned in high school at the latest, or in Church. I can’t imagine that the Catholic bride never heard of such a thing. Well, given the sad state of catechesis for several decades, maybe I can imagine it. But when moral education is lacking, one has the responsibility for self-education.
 
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