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And what have charities got to do?:confused:
Some posters think needy people should rely on private charity for medical care and food, etc. and not on the government. Private charity in the US doesn’t have a very good record of helping anyone but their top executives, who are in no way needy.
 
Some posters think needy people should rely on private charity for medical care and food, etc. and not on the government. Private charity in the US doesn’t have a very good record of helping anyone but their top executives, who are in no way needy.
I see. Now I can follow the reasoning.
Medicine was the only item I found very expensive in comparison even with very good insurance. It is probably the one thing somehow Disproportionate and I believed ( and may be wrong…) that it had to do with law suits and insurance for malpractice and that sort of thing. I kept my coverage down here as well cause it was excellent and somehow controllable. I dreaded those bills that came coming and would never be too sure of the total amount. But that could be me in a different system.
Thank you. I will just follow without interrupting much now…
 
I see. Now I can follow the reasoning.
Medicine was the only item I found very expensive in comparison even with very good insurance. It is probably the one thing somehow Disproportionate and I believed ( and may be wrong…) that it had to do with law suits and insurance for malpractice and that sort of thing. I kept my coverage down here as well cause it was excellent and somehow controllable. I dreaded those bills that came coming and would never be too sure of the total amount. But that could be me in a different system.
Thank you. I will just follow without interrupting much now…
Oh, you aren’t interrupting. Feel free to ask questions or give your opinion at any time. Polite posters are always valued.

Since the ACA took effect here, my health insurance premium has tripled, yet it pays for less. Prior to the ACA if my doctor would have felt an MRI necessary, I could have had one paid for by insurance, which is why I pay my premiums. Since the ACA, I was hit by a truck. My insurance company refused to pay for an MRI ordered by a specialist because I hadn’t had X-rays ordered by said specialist. Yet I had had X-rays ordered by another doctor only a week or so before and which the specialist had in his possession. So, to get the MRI, I had to go have another set of X-rays, which was $800, and which were identical to the ones the specialist already had. It really makes no sense.

Then I was sent to physical therapy. At the physical therapy center, they told me that my insurance “would cover everything.” But, there was a $40 co-pay at every visit, and my doctor ordered 4 visits per week. I make a good salary, but still, $160/week for several months? I just wasn’t going to pay it when my health insurance has tripled. So I learned the therapy exercises and did them at home. Some more unfortunate people might not be able to do exercises at home, though.

Then, recently, I was sent to another specialist to see if my knee required surgery. Here, doctors require payment before their services, at least most do. When I got there, they said, “Oh, we don’t accept Aetna insurance any longer.” Aetna is one of the biggest insurers. They told me I could pay privately. I asked how much that was. They told me a consultation would be $725. I told them, “No, thank you.”

Health care in the US is just a mess. A broken mess. If one isn’t very wealthy, the only way to get affordable health care here is to be flat broke and on welfare. Shameful.
 
Oh, you aren’t interrupting. Feel free to ask questions or give your opinion at any time. Polite posters are always valued.

Since the ACA took effect here, my health insurance premium has tripled, yet it pays for less. Prior to the ACA if my doctor would have felt an MRI necessary, I could have had one paid for by insurance, which is why I pay my premiums. Since the ACA, I was hit by a truck. My insurance company refused to pay for an MRI ordered by a specialist because I hadn’t had X-rays ordered by said specialist. Yet I had had X-rays ordered by another doctor only a week or so before and which the specialist had in his possession. So, to get the MRI, I had to go have another set of X-rays, which was $800, and which were identical to the ones the specialist already had. It really makes no sense.

Then I was sent to physical therapy. At the physical therapy center, they told me that my insurance “would cover everything.” But, there was a $40 co-pay at every visit, and my doctor ordered 4 visits per week. I make a good salary, but still, $160/week for several months? I just wasn’t going to pay it when my health insurance has tripled. So I learned the therapy exercises and did them at home. Some more unfortunate people might not be able to do exercises at home, though.

Then, recently, I was sent to another specialist to see if my knee required surgery. Here, doctors require payment before their services, at least most do. When I got there, they said, “Oh, we don’t accept Aetna insurance any longer.” Aetna is one of the biggest insurers. They told me I could pay privately. I asked how much that was. They told me a consultation would be $725. I told them, “No, thank you.”

Health care in the US is just a mess. A broken mess. If one isn’t very wealthy, the only way to get affordable health care here is to be flat broke and on welfare. Shameful.
you are right. it is a broken mess!
 
Oh, you aren’t interrupting. Feel free to ask questions or give your opinion at any time. Polite posters are always valued.

Since the ACA took effect here, my health insurance premium has tripled, yet it pays for less. Prior to the ACA if my doctor would have felt an MRI necessary, I could have had one paid for by insurance, which is why I pay my premiums. Since the ACA, I was hit by a truck. My insurance company refused to pay for an MRI ordered by a specialist because I hadn’t had X-rays ordered by said specialist. Yet I had had X-rays ordered by another doctor only a week or so before and which the specialist had in his possession. So, to get the MRI, I had to go have another set of X-rays, which was $800, and which were identical to the ones the specialist already had. It really makes no sense.

Then I was sent to physical therapy. At the physical therapy center, they told me that my insurance “would cover everything.” But, there was a $40 co-pay at every visit, and my doctor ordered 4 visits per week. I make a good salary, but still, $160/week for several months? I just wasn’t going to pay it when my health insurance has tripled. So I learned the therapy exercises and did them at home. Some more unfortunate people might not be able to do exercises at home, though.

Then, recently, I was sent to another specialist to see if my knee required surgery. Here, doctors require payment before their services, at least most do. When I got there, they said, “Oh, we don’t accept Aetna insurance any longer.” Aetna is one of the biggest insurers. They told me I could pay privately. I asked how much that was. They told me a consultation would be $725. I told them, “No, thank you.”

Health care in the US is just a mess. A broken mess. If one isn’t very wealthy, the only way to get affordable health care here is to be flat broke and on welfare. Shameful.
That was our insurance ,Aetna.
I can hear you,it is like one has to dodge a bit…
Hit by a truck,that is terrible…hope you are ok now and without subsequent problems.

Our hospitals are free. One of my sisters-in -law is a pediatrician in one of them. Of course much has to be done to improve them,and it pretty much depends on where they are located.
We have a private insurance also ( it isn’ t insurance here but different) ,we pay monthly and with the best doctors and the best treatment and hospitals we can choose from. We pay zero else. Nothing. Just 20% of medicine we have to buy but they are not really expensive.
Maybe free hospitals is not a perfect answer to health and there is much abuse from neighboring countries which flood our free hospitals in the city cause they are good. But…we’ ll work it out we will get there.Patience…
My pleasure. It is really two different countries and we are to respect each other’s cultures.
Thanks again for the explanations.! It does take take a GPS to follow sometimes!
 
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Flawed logic. Sexual assault and rape are crimes; having an affair is morally wrong, but it is not criminal.
. Correct. And Hillary was covering up rape and sexual assault. Go read the accounts of Paula Jones and Juanita Broderick and their accounts of Hillary’s involvement in shutting them up. And of course her complicity in enabling Bill lead to incidents like a grieving widow being propositioned in the oval office and his using employees for sexual gratification This from a woman who claims to be a champion of women’s rights and says women should always be believed when claiming sexual assault
 
Some posters think needy people should rely on private charity for medical care and food, etc. and not on the government. Private charity in the US doesn’t have a very good record of helping anyone but their top executives, who are in no way needy.
Who said that?

There is a valid political discussion on the amount of and the manner in which the government should be involved in aiding the poor and needy. But there is no dispute by either party that the government needs to be involved . But we must keep in mind that we have a personal responsibility to help the poor and needy and voting for someone who promises raise taxes and do it for us does not fulfill that responsibility.

As far as private charities not having have a good record I suspect you will find that Catholic charities spends far much less money on overhead the Department of Health and Human Services. And they do it without promoting killing one’s child as a solution to poverty
 
Who said that?

There is a valid political discussion on the amount of and the manner in which the government should be involved in aiding the poor and needy. But there is no dispute by either party that the government needs to be involved . But we must keep in mind that we have a personal responsibility to help the poor and needy and voting for someone who promises raise taxes and do it for us does not fulfill that responsibility.

As far as private charities not having have a good record I suspect you will find that Catholic charities spends far much less money on overhead the Department of Health and Human Services. And they do it without promoting killing one’s child as a solution to poverty
Catholic charities is just one of millions of charities that help the needy here in the USA. But not every charity has an impeccable record like catholic charities. For example, the wounded warrior, if I’m not mistaken only uses 8 or 9 cents per dollar to help out veterans.

The government has to be involved, what it has to do is put limits bc people abuse the system.
 
I’d like to see both parties crash and burn. I’m voting for Bernie in the general election whether he gets the nomination or not.

ETA: Bernie is not “far left”. That would make him an Anarchist or a Marxist which he clearly isn’t.
Socialism is next thing to Communism.Listen to what he says. Let the Government take care of everything and then the Government will also control everything. What ever happened to “By the people, of the people and for the people??” He is also pro-abortion. I wouldn’t vote for him if my life depended on it and my soul very well would. Or Hillery either!!. God Bless, Memaw
 
Socialism is next thing to Communism.Listen to what he says. Let the Government take care of everything and then the Government will also control everything. What ever happened to “By the people, of the people and for the people??” He is also pro-abortion. I wouldn’t vote for him if my life depended on it and my soul very well would. Or Hillery either!!. God Bless, Memaw
It’s working wonderfully in France, and the people are not controlled. Socialism is not communism.
 
That was our insurance ,Aetna.
I can hear you,it is like one has to dodge a bit…
Hit by a truck,that is terrible…hope you are ok now and without subsequent problems.

Our hospitals are free. One of my sisters-in -law is a pediatrician in one of them. Of course much has to be done to improve them,and it pretty much depends on where they are located.
We have a private insurance also ( it isn’ t insurance here but different) ,we pay monthly and with the best doctors and the best treatment and hospitals we can choose from. We pay zero else. Nothing. Just 20% of medicine we have to buy but they are not really expensive.
Maybe free hospitals is not a perfect answer to health and there is much abuse from neighboring countries which flood our free hospitals in the city cause they are good. But…we’ ll work it out we will get there.Patience…
My pleasure. It is really two different countries and we are to respect each other’s cultures.
Thanks again for the explanations.! It does take take a GPS to follow sometimes!
Oh, you are lucky, wherever you are! I hope the US can take a leaf from your country’s book.

Thank you for the kind words, and God bless.
 
Catholic charities is just one of millions of charities that help the needy here in the USA. But not every charity has an impeccable record like catholic charities. For example, the wounded warrior, if I’m not mistaken only uses 8 or 9 cents per dollar to help out veterans.

The government has to be involved, what it has to do is put limits bc people abuse the system.
Not one single candidate in this election nor either political party suggests the government should not be involved in helping the poor and needy. However on the Democrat side we have a candidate who at least in the past has suggested that private charity should not be involved in helping the poor and needy. You tell me who the extremist is?
 
Our hospitals are free. One of my sisters-in -law is a pediatrician in one of them. Of course much has to be done to improve them,and it pretty much depends on where they are located.
We have a private insurance also ( it isn’ t insurance here but different) ,we pay monthly and with the best doctors and the best treatment and hospitals we can choose from. We pay zero else. Nothing. Just 20% of medicine we have to buy but they are not really expensive.
Maybe free hospitals is not a perfect answer to health and there is much abuse from neighboring countries which flood our free hospitals in the city cause they are good. But…we’ ll work it out we will get there.Patience…
My pleasure. It is really two different countries and we are to respect each other’s cultures.
Thanks again for the explanations.! It does take take a GPS to follow sometimes!
I’m curious, do you provide free healthcare to illegal aliens? How does the govt deal with that issue?
 
She is a member of the socialist party A Just Russia though. She is also a former Communist Party member.
Putin was a former member of the KGB too and look where he’s taking Russia. Just another way around Communism. Listen to what the Blessed Mother said at Fatima!!! God Bless, Memaw
 
It will be, just wait! giant step towards it. France has lost it’s Catholic faith. God Bless, Memaw
I honestly don’t think France will ever be communist, but only time will tell.
 
And Bernie does??? Pope Pius XII said , “Fatima is a reaffirmation of the Gospels.” How much closer can you get. Did you ever study Fatima. God Bless, Memaw
When I was a teenager, Memaw. I didn’t write the link; the apologists here did.
 
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