Scandal-Ridden USCCB Brings Pro-abortion, LGBT Rights Activists To Speak At 4-Day Event

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Let us pray for the grace not to lose faith when things go wrong, because something is always going to go wrong. And let us pray for the grace to know what to do, when things do go wrong.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Dearest Brother,

I pray that you are well today.

I was reading through these wondering about the evils of the USCCB and when I saw you had posted I felt at once relieved and consoled, for your posts always balance great knowledge with great Love. Thank you.

This serves as a reminder to me about the important of us, as members of the Church, to pray often for our priests and Bishops, to whom we ask so much. Perhaps their work would be less difficult and far more fruitful we remembered to pray for them more. :sad_yes:

I am thankful for the reminder today to pray especially for the Bishops as they do their very important work and for gratitude at their efforts.
 
**the Church cannot in anyway promote good and evil. ** it has become a big thing today, that everytime an evil is exposed, the advice is let’s all love one another, it is all about love and being nice to one another. the problem with this is that in the meanwhile evil is taking over while we get busy being nice to them.
Indeed your name speaks of your wisdom!

The FIRST duty of a bishop is the spiritual welfare of those souls entrusted to him. Are not our bishops called to exercise the authority of the Apostles by correcting those in error? They have the power to bind the consciences of those faithful Catholics in their diocese and are to govern, teach and **sanctify **those under them.

How did the political correctness of never speaking ill of an evil creep into the Church?
 
I can’t believe you. It’s NOT ridiculous. It’s exactly what’s happening.
I don’t believe that’s what happening.
What I do think is happening is that a few who have an issue with the USSCB for whatever reasons are working to stir up trouble against it. Whats worse they are doing so without all the information they need to make a valid evaluation. The few examples given on this thread are very one sided and non reveal the full story.

Peace,
FAB
 
Here is RCTV’s coverage over the past weeks. The videos are in the order they were aired, the top one being the oldest.

Also, the same thing is happening, or at least has happened, among Canada’s Bishops. See linked Lifesitenews video.

Real Catholic TV Coverage:
youtube.com/watch?v=GJfyLTdqx_o
youtube.com/watch?v=WKBC8u15sQk
youtube.com/watch?v=_rbF2SMZHLs
youtube.com/watch?v=mkn7lkf9p18
youtube.com/watch?v=19uOKKWxcWg
youtube.com/watch?v=JO93-fFdyM0
youtube.com/watch?v=chZ-cFO3wvQ
youtube.com/watch?v=gDg999-OY00
youtube.com/watch?v=bPIGFxi6lo4

Canada’s Bishops apparently did something similar:
youtube.com/watch?v=RsBkAc8Shng

Let’s pray that this is all sorted out soon.
 
Indeed your name speaks of your wisdom!

The FIRST duty of a bishop is the spiritual welfare of those souls entrusted to him. Are not our bishops called to exercise the authority of the Apostles by correcting those in error? They have the power to bind the consciences of those faithful Catholics in their diocese and are to govern, teach and **sanctify **those under them.

How did the political correctness of never speaking ill of an evil creep into the Church?
since things got distorted by those very ones in position of authority. they are still there doing the very evil and no one is speaking out. well, now that we have watchdogs thanks be to God, maybe, just maybe something will be done. maybe if our bishops know that we will stand wiht them, they will be willing to stand up for the Truth. who knows. we just dont know who is who anymore.

thanks to a faithfull man like michal V. who has the courage to confront evil. i am sure he is being persecuted for this. let’s pray for him too, and sungenis too.
 
Forgive me if this has already been discussed in this thread. I have tried to keep up, but posts have been so fast and furious I may have skipped some. :o

I recently finished reading Ungodly Rage by Donna Steichen. Published over 20 years ago, it gave chilling examples of how radical feminism, along with godess worship and wicca, were (at that time) making inroads into our Church.

The good news is that it hasn’t progressed as far as it could have in the intervening years. (I am not saying that it/they didn’t progress at all or are not evident among us today…)

The bad news is that, according to Donna Steichen’s research, many seminars dealing with or including elements of radical feminism, goddess worship and wicca, were held (back then) with the full knowledge and sometimes promotion of either NCCB or USCC (maybe both, but I know one for sure–don’t have the book at hand at this moment to cite exactly).

NCCB and USCC later became today’s USCCB.

I am mentioning this only to point out that there have been radical influences in our bishop’s organizations for decades.

USCCB – United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
NCCB – National Conference of Catholic Bishops
USCC – United States Catholic Conference
 
I believe that we have to look at these issues with an attitude of holy detachment. Before proceeding, let me explain what this means. I may have done so before, just in case, here it goes again. Holy detachment is the ability to confront sin without sinning.

Again, I have to point out the difference between a Catholic understanding of scripture and a Protestant one. Our Protestant brothers and sisters are very faithful to Christ. This is not a condemnation of them. But there are certain mistakes in their understanding of scripture due to a very literal reading of it. We have to be careful not to fall into that same mistake. That’s why we have the Church Fathers and theology.

As we look at Jesus in the temple and read in the scriptures how he cleared the temple, we must also look to our commentators on the scriptures to understand what is going on there. The temple was a center for those who traveled through the region. The rabbis and priests allowed the merchants and money changers to gather in the courtyard of the temple to provide certain services for the travelers. These services were good and necessary. The safest place was the temple, because they would not be robbed.

It never fails that someone takes advantage of a good situation for their own purposes. There were those dishonest people who traded and did business in the temple and exploited the poor. It is to these that Jesus is directing himself. He calls them to conversion by reminding them that they cannot turn his house into a den of thieves. He is not driving them away. He is calling them to conversion. The message is that God’s house is a place where you come to turn not to exploit.

This applies to the topic of this thread. Just as Christ demands justice, without sinning, without being unjust and uncharitable, we too must do what we need to do for the sake of justice, without being unjust and uncharitable. It is very tempting to call someone out and to blast them to the point that we overkill. That would be a violation of justice and charity.

When we speak about this and other issues that will come up in the Church and elsewhere too, we must exercise holy detachment. This means that we must try to ignore that temptation to beat someone to a pulp, either verbally or otherwise. That is not how Jesus would do it or how he wants us to do it. We have the testimony and example of the great saints on this. That’s why I always point to our modern saints and blessed such as Mother Teresa and Maximilian Kolbe.

When the friars were leaving the friary on the night that the Nazis arrived and arrested them, Maximilian said to them, “Forget not love.” Maximilian reminded the friars that Francis would never treat the Nazis with contempt, but with great “lust for their souls.” He told them that when the Nazi soldiers arrived, they were to receive them with a smile, offer them food if they were hungry, and remember that these were their brothers, even though Maximilian knew that the Nazis were going to kill them or at the very least, make them suffer unjustly. If you see what you believe to be sin, you face the sin, but you put on your most indifferent attitude toward the devil’s temptation to sin against the sinner.

I know that I have to pray for the grace of temperance in my own heart.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I believe that we have to look at these issues with an attitude of holy detachment. Before proceeding, let me explain what this means. I may have done so before, just in case, here it goes again. Holy detachment is the ability to confront sin without sinning.
This is what the bible says
[Eph 4:26] Be angry but do not sin;

It doesn’t sound like the Word of God is telling is to be “detached”.

Also a restatement from earlier.
[1 John 2:17]
His disciples recalled the words of scripture, “Zeal for your house will consume me.”
He calls them to conversion by reminding them that they cannot turn his house into a den of thieves. He is not driving them away. He is calling them to conversion. The message is that God’s house is a place where you come to turn not to exploit.
You make it sound like Jesus was using Politically Correct conversations with these people. He used a whip and overturned tables, and threw money all over the place.
This applies to the topic of this thread. Just as Christ demands justice, without sinning,
Agreed!
When we speak about this and other issues that will come up in the Church and elsewhere too, we must exercise holy detachment. This means that we must try to ignore that temptation to beat someone to a pulp, either verbally or otherwise.
Nobody is beating anyone to a pulp here. We do demand justice though.
When the friars were leaving the friary on the night that the Nazis arrived and arrested them, Maximilian said to them, “Forget not love.” Maximilian reminded the friars that Francis would never treat the Nazis with contempt, but with great “lust for their souls.”
The bishops aren’t coming to arrest us. So this isn’t the same thing. If the Bishops came to arrest me, then ya, I would act like Maximilian.
I know that I have to pray for the grace of temperance in my own heart.
Me too!
 
This is what the bible says
[Eph 4:26] Be angry but do not sin;

It doesn’t sound like the Word of God is telling is to be “detached”.
This is the interpretation that has been given to this by the great spiritual teachers of the Catholic tradition: St. Francis, St. Teresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross.
You make it sound like Jesus was using Politically Correct conversations with these people. He used a whip and overturned tables, and threw money all over the place.
No. I’m not making it sound like that. You may be hearing it that way. I’m saying that we must avoid the Protestant reading of it. We are still Catholic. The Catholic focus on this passage has been about the issue of justice, not the turning of the tables. This focus on the justice to which Jesus was calling these people is the material of which St. Jerome speaks about when he comments on this passage in his commentaries. You may want to read St. Jerome’s comments.
Nobody is beating anyone to a pulp here. We do demand justice though.
My point is that we not engage in rhetoric that harms people. That would be another way of beating someone up.
The bishops aren’t coming to arrest us. So this isn’t the same thing. If the Bishops came to arrest me, then ya, I would act like Maximilian.
Come on, give me a break here. You know what I’m trying to say here. Maximilian’s message is not about the arrest, it is about love, even for those whom we believe have done us harm or will do us harm.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
This is the interpretation that has been given to this by the great spiritual teachers of the Catholic tradition: St. Francis, St. Teresa of Avila, St. John of the Cross.
Which St. Francis are you talking about?

It seems to me that you are attempting to use detachment from wealth and things of this world, in way that says we should be detached from a desire for justice, and Truth.

This is what I am about. We should be passionate about the Truth, for Jesus is the Truth. We should be zealous, and we should be righteously angered when our leaders violate the truth.
I’m saying that we must avoid the Protestant reading of it.
Ad hominem attack.
We are still Catholic. The Catholic focus on this passage has been about the issue of justice, not the turning of the tables.
It seems to me like you arguing about “method”, not just about “justice”. This is why I bring up the example of Jesus, to show you that method is in play here.

Your keep saying things like we should be detached. “This is method”.

Then you say some of us are acting like protestants. “This is method”.

You keep firing back, when I show you that Jesus wasn’t always this meek little guy, but actually displayed “righteous anger” once in awhile. This is “method”.

We question the Bishops and you imply that we are sinning, and beating them to a pulp. “This is method”
My point is that we not engage in rhetoric that harms people. That would be another way of beating someone up.
You see again, “Method”.

The evidence suggests that it isn’t “rhetoric”.
Come on, give me a break here. You know what I’m trying to say here. Maximilian’s message is not about the arrest, it is about love, even for those whom we believe have done us harm or will do us harm.
No your example was about Method once again.

Besides, what kind of love is it, when we allow someone to continue in sin, without challenging them to the “Truth”.
 
Which St. Francis are you talking about?

It seems to me that you are attempting to use detachment from wealth and things of this world, in way that says we should be detached from a desire for justice, and Truth.

This is what I am about. We should be passionate about the Truth, for Jesus is the Truth. We should be zealous, and we should be righteously angered when our leaders violate the truth.

Ad hominem attack.

It seems to me like you arguing about “method”, not just about “justice”. This is why I bring up the example of Jesus, to show you that method is in play here.

Your keep saying things like we should be detached. “This is method”.

Then you say some of us are acting like protestants. “This is method”.

You keep firing back, when I show you that Jesus wasn’t always this meek little guy, but actually displayed “righteous anger” once in awhile. This is “method”.

We question the Bishops and you imply that we are sinning, and beating them to a pulp. “This is method”

You see again, “Method”.

The evidence suggests that it isn’t “rhetoric”.

No your example was about Method once again.

Besides, what kind of love is it, when we allow someone to continue in sin, without challenging them to the “Truth”.
No one is attacking you or anyone else. Detachment is not only from material things. That is the beginning, but not the end of detachment. Detachment must also be an act of the heart. One must detach from the fury that can feed anger. We must let that go. Otherwise, it is not righteous indignation that we express. It is hostility.

My message is very simple. Never let your struggle against sin, lead you to sin. If you want to learn how to fight sin, look at the great saints such as Francis of Assisi, Teresa of Avila, Ignatius of Loyola, Vicent de Paul, Mother Teresa of Calcutta, or Maximilian Kolbe. There, you will find masters of the craft. They encountered sin in many situations inside and outside the Church. But they never lost their calm, their compassion and most of all, they never uttered an unkind word toward the sinner. They never uttered an unkind word toward anyone.

They fought sin with dialogue and with example. That’s all I’m saying. One must be at peace within oneself, if one is to overcome sin in oneself and in the world around us. Passion is good, but it must be tempered so that it is expressed with great love.

No one is saying that sins have not been committed. My mission here is not to hide the truth, but to teach a method, if you want to call it that. It is a method that will lead eery man and woman of faith to confront sin on terms that will not damage our inner silence, our inner peace and will bring the sinner home, rather than feed his or her opposition.

You see, when one is at peace and uses the language of peace, one can conquer many things. But this takes two great investments which require time. The first is the investment in contemplation. If we do not spend time in contemplation, how can we hear the voice of God?

The second investment is patience. If we are not willing to chip away at sin in small steps, but go very quickly, we run the risk of just doing band-aid work. If we want long-lasting results, we must take the time to find solutions. Solutions do not alwasy appear on the first or second attempt. We must be willing to try and try, over and over again, always trusting that eventually God will show us what needs to be done and how it should be done.

Spend time with the saints and with the Blessed Sacrament. There you will find the solutions. Trust me. I’ve been there many times. My life’s work has been for the unborn. I know the patience that is required to protect their lives. I also know the detachment that is required.

I must give up my opinions, my point of view, my solutions, if I am to see God’s point of view and his solutions. But this can only be done in silence and with time. As we move from prayer into action, miracles do happen. If we begin with action, we will only encounter opposition and experience frustration. If we allow ourselves to feel fury, we will not be able to show mercy. Fury and mercy are icompatible.

At the Franciscan Brothers of Life we have a saying. “The only way to conquer sin is to conquer our passions first. Only the brother who is as meek and peaceful as our Holy Father Francis will save the lives of the vulnerable and earn heaven.”

Our volunteers find this little peace of our Constitution helpful in their own struggles agains sin. Hold on to righteous indignation, but never forget love.

I just thought I’d share it with you.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Thank you, JR. Of course, we musn’t forget about love!
This is what I am about. We should be passionate about the Truth, for Jesus is the Truth. We should be zealous, and we should be righteously angered when our leaders violate the truth.

Besides, what kind of love is it, when we allow someone to continue in sin, without challenging them to the “Truth”.
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Allowing evil to continue hidden in the darkness only gives it strength. Have Church leaders not learned from past mistakes when the pedophilia problem was covered up and the sin multiplied? This serious problem with the USCCB has been going for many years. Clearly it is time for the faithful to charitably speak out and help expose those elements causing harm.

I have often struggled with the facts we now know and ask myself, “How does this all fly in the face of the indefectibility of the Church? How is it that we are now seeing bishop against bishop and the voice of the shepherds is divided?”

The only answer I can come up with is that our Lord knew His Church would enter this period. He knew there would be a remnant left standing to fight the battle for Truth. Perhaps those discerning voices who clearly recognize evil when they see it will be the instrument and vessel HE will use to keep His Church afloat during this storm. A coalition of different organizations is forming to fight this issue according to news reported by LifeSite. They include American Life League, Human Life International, Catholic Advocate, Bellarmine Veritas Ministry, Real Catholic TV, and members of the Reform CCHD Now coalition. I pray this coalition will be successful in turning this around.
 
Thank you, JR. Of course, we musn’t forget about love!

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Allowing evil to continue hidden in the darkness only gives it strength. Have Church leaders not learned from past mistakes when the pedophilia problem was covered up and the sin multiplied? This serious problem with the USCCB has been going for many years. Clearly it is time for the faithful to charitably speak out and help expose those elements causing harm.

I have often struggled with the facts we now know and ask myself, “How does this all fly in the face of the indefectibility of the Church? How is it that we are now seeing bishop against bishop and the voice of the shepherds is divided?”

The only answer I can come up with is that our Lord knew His Church would enter this period. He knew there would be a remnant left standing to fight the battle for Truth. Perhaps those discerning voices who clearly recognize evil when they see it will be the instrument and vessel HE will use to keep His Church afloat during this storm. A coalition of different organizations is forming to fight this issue according to news reported by LifeSite. They include American Life League, Human Life International, Catholic Advocate, Bellarmine Veritas Ministry, Real Catholic TV, and members of the Reform CCHD Now coalition. I pray this coalition will be successful in turning this around.
The bad news is that these problems exist. The good news is that they have existed for 2000 years. The Church has gone through crisis after crisis. People are often shocked when they bring up the sexual abuse of children and adults and I remind them that the Church was plagued by it during the Middle Ages and thanks to the Carmelite, Dominican and Franciscan movements of the time, these issues were conquered. The chaneling of funds to many wrong causes was part of Luther’s complaints and the means by which the Church procured these fund, selling indulgences, was a horrible sin. It took a major crisis of faith on the part of those who followed Luther out the door to get the Church to stop and reform from within. These are just some examples of many things that have gone wrong. But there is good news. The Holy Spirit always raises up either charismatic individuals or charismatic groups that bring the Church to attention.

Maybe, some of these groups that you mentioned above will be the Dominicans, Franciscans and Carmelites of today. Maybe, from there we will even see a Dominic, Francis or Albert leading the reform and healing. There will always be sin and there will always be reformers. This is God’s promise that the gates of Hell will not prevail.

As a Franciscan, the best spiritual advise that I can give is to fight the good fight, as St. Paul says, and remember that the best fighters were the most contemplative, the most humble and the most detached men and women. They were not the angriest. They were the ones who loved the most and who had an uncanny gift for teaching conversion through word and example.

I’m always reminded of St. Catherine of Siena. She was very aware of the troubles of the Church during her time. She wrote letters to the pope and made her argument for change and renewal. But we must never forget that what kept the pope’s attention was that she had won favor with the pope, because he knew of her great life of penance and contemplation. He had great admiration for her. When you earn this admiration of the leadership, you get their attention.

Another great example from our own time was Mother Teresa. The popes and local bishops had great admiration for her. She earned that admiration by her obedience and submission to them. She always made it a point to publically profess that. There is a wonderful story about Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II. Mother told Pope John Paul that there was no place for the poor at the Vatican and that this greatly disturbed her. Each time they met or each time she had a chance to write him, she reminded him.

One day, the Holy Father heard that she was coming to the Vatican for some special event. He became very worried. He said to the Secratery of State, “Mother is going to ask me again about the place of the poor in the Vatican. Quickly, take the building closest to the Sistine Chapel and have it refurbished so that it will look exactly like one of Mother’s homes in India. Take everything out and destroy it. Clean it and fix it up as one of her Indian homes.” When Mother arrived at the Vatican she went to pay her respects to the Holy Father and before she could kiss his ring he said, “Here are the keys.” Today, this building is the only shelter and soup kitchen inside the Vatican City State, not in Italy. It’s nextdoor to the Sistine Chapel. Both John Paul II and Benedict XVI make it a point to go there several times a year, put on an apron and serve meals to the homeless.

The point is that the Holy Spirit does want change for the good and the Church’s leadership does need the help of the faithful. But we must know how to offer the help. It is good for us to look at the examples of our saints and blessed. We will find that they earned the respect of the hierarchy through contemplation, public profession of fidelity and love, and through patient and consistent communication. They detached from their passion and allowed God to show them what to do and what to say, even how to say it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Brother JR, I appreciate much of what you have written but I for one and perhaps others would like to see a little more of your righteous indignation at the lack of leadership of our shepherds.

The examples you gave of St. Catherine and Blessed Mother Teresa made me rather sad hearing them in this context. I don’t want to have to admonish my shepherds, I want to be led by them. I want to know that I can obey them and not be led astray. I want to not be scandalized. I want them to be holier than me. I don’t expect perfection but I expect something much better and much more Christ-like than what we have and are seeing. Otherwise why are they in that position?

I want to hear the Pope admonishing the bishops. That’s his job more than mine. I longed to have Pope John Paul II come to this country and publically apologize to the faithful for the peophilia scandals and promise that he would make sure that it didn’t happen again. I needed to hear that from him in no uncertain terms and I needed for non-Catholics to hear it too. I wanted priests to stop being the butt of dirty jokes. I knew that if the Pope humbled himself and begged for forgiveness on behalf of the Church hierarchy it would have stopped and the Church would have regained it’s moral authority and our righteous indignation might not have become anger. I found his silence to be deafening and it is still ringing throughout this country. Catholics are mercilessly mocked in the media and I have a hard time even getting very angry about it anymore because the Church hierarchy has let it happen - caused it to happen. It has let me down.
 
The bad news is that these problems exist. The good news is that they have existed for 2000 years. The Church has gone through crisis after crisis. People are often shocked when they bring up the sexual abuse of children and adults and I remind them that the Church was plagued by it during the Middle Ages and thanks to the Carmelite, Dominican and Franciscan movements of the time, these issues were conquered. The chaneling of funds to many wrong causes was part of Luther’s complaints and the means by which the Church procured these fund, selling indulgences, was a horrible sin. It took a major crisis of faith on the part of those who followed Luther out the door to get the Church to stop and reform from within. These are just some examples of many things that have gone wrong. But there is good news. The Holy Spirit always raises up either charismatic individuals or charismatic groups that bring the Church to attention.

Maybe, some of these groups that you mentioned above will be the Dominicans, Franciscans and Carmelites of today. Maybe, from there we will even see a Dominic, Francis or Albert leading the reform and healing. There will always be sin and there will always be reformers. This is God’s promise that the gates of Hell will not prevail.

As a Franciscan, the best spiritual advise that I can give is to fight the good fight, as St. Paul says, and remember that the best fighters were the most contemplative, the most humble and the most detached men and women. They were not the angriest. They were the ones who loved the most and who had an uncanny gift for teaching conversion through word and example.

I’m always reminded of St. Catherine of Siena. She was very aware of the troubles of the Church during her time. She wrote letters to the pope and made her argument for change and renewal. But we must never forget that what kept the pope’s attention was that she had won favor with the pope, because he knew of her great life of penance and contemplation. He had great admiration for her. When you earn this admiration of the leadership, you get their attention.

Another great example from our own time was Mother Teresa. The popes and local bishops had great admiration for her. She earned that admiration by her obedience and submission to them. She always made it a point to publically profess that. There is a wonderful story about Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II. Mother told Pope John Paul that there was no place for the poor at the Vatican and that this greatly disturbed her. Each time they met or each time she had a chance to write him, she reminded him.

One day, the Holy Father heard that she was coming to the Vatican for some special event. He became very worried. He said to the Secratery of State, “Mother is going to ask me again about the place of the poor in the Vatican. Quickly, take the building closest to the Sistine Chapel and have it refurbished so that it will look exactly like one of Mother’s homes in India. Take everything out and destroy it. Clean it and fix it up as one of her Indian homes.” When Mother arrived at the Vatican she went to pay her respects to the Holy Father and before she could kiss his ring he said, “Here are the keys.” Today, this building is the only shelter and soup kitchen inside the Vatican City State, not in Italy. It’s nextdoor to the Sistine Chapel. Both John Paul II and Benedict XVI make it a point to go there several times a year, put on an apron and serve meals to the homeless.

The point is that the Holy Spirit does want change for the good and the Church’s leadership does need the help of the faithful. But we must know how to offer the help. It is good for us to look at the examples of our saints and blessed. We will find that they earned the respect of the hierarchy through contemplation, public profession of fidelity and love, and through patient and consistent communication. They detached from their passion and allowed God to show them what to do and what to say, even how to say it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Br. JR.

You are truly eliquent in your words and knowlege, but I fear many are being lead astray, not by the Sheperds of the Church , but through thier own anger and false rightousness.
I thank you for your well informed and educated post. Even though many seem to want to disgaurd the truth, which lay in you post, for thier own false beliefs, it is worth the time and effort.
Peace,
FAB
 
Brother JR, I appreciate much of what you have written but I for one and perhaps others would like to see a little more of your righteous indignation at the lack of leadership of our shepherds…
If I did that, I would be a very poor son of my Holy Father Francis. What would Francis do differently today?

He lived with worse than this and appeared never to say a word. Yet, he reformed the Church. How did he do it? Not through indignation. In fact, he forbade it in his rule.

He tells us something in his rule that is equally applicable to the laity. Our Father, Francis, said that when we run into the sins of the clergy and the hierarchy we were to kiss their hands and venerate them, because only through them could we see the presence of Christ in the most Blessed Sacrament and only through them could we be absolved from our sins.

In another adomonition he reminds his brothers and sisters that they must never show any form of anger, righteous or otherwise. But they must always preach peace, especially inner peace. This peace was built upon trust. He taught us to trust by submitting to the authority of two of the most powerful and questionable popes in history, Innocent III and Honorius III.

What was equally interesting about our father was that while others called a man “Bishop”, Francis called them, “Lord.” He gave them the same title that he gave to Christ, despite their sins and the corruption and heresy that existed among the bishops of his time. He taught us and the people of his time to love and to engineer change, not through indignation, but through great love, great example, great penance, great prayer and great cooperation with the Church.

When the first Secular Franciscans were founded, he commanded them never to engage in a conflict with the bishops. They were to offer their assistance to help resolve problems. Dominic also gave the same rule to the Secular Dominicans, that’s why Catherine wrote her letters. She was a Secular Dominican. She followed this rule that had been written by St. Francis for Penitents and soon adopted by the Dominicans and Carmelites, creating the Secular Carmelite and Dominican Orders alongside the Secular Franciscan Order.

These great secular orders reformed the Church through their holiness. These were lay people who offered their bishops their assistance. They also offered them private and charitable correction. They did not post their concerns where other lay people could see or hear them. That would have been an insult to their founders and contrary to the spirit of peace that their founders asked them to proclaim.

I will not violate the conscience of my superior and founder by doing something contrary to his will. It was the mind of Francis that we control such indignation. It was his mind that we never share such positions in public. It was his mind that we never speak a single word against those who are better than we are.

It was his mind that we communicate our concerns to the porper person, always in the most fraternal language. It was his mind that if the other person, in this case a bishop, did not listen to us, we do one of two things: we either remain at his side as a form of suffering for us that we offer up to the Father in union with Christ’s suffering on the cross or that if we are not allowed to remain by the side of the sinner, that we leave and never speak of it again, but offer it up in prayer and trust God.

The Franciscan’s mission on these forums is to teach how to face these issues with great fraternal love, how to communicate concerns in private to those who need to hear us, not to the rest of the world and to proclaim that God has our best interest at heart. If we do things corectly, offering advise and assitance to those who need it, wait patiently, and offer our pain united to that of Christ on the cross, through the Blessed Sacrament, God will once again reform the Church. He has done so in the past and will do so again.

I cannot go against what I vowed to obey until death, no matter what my feelings and opinions may be. I am nothing. I have no right to opinions and feelings, if I am truly poor. The only opinions and feelings that the Rule of St. Francis allows me to have are the opinions of St. Francis himself. My life is to conform myself to Christ crucified, who took on the sins of humanity and made them his own, freely, out of love. This was the manner of St. Francis.

I have held many aborted children in my hands, held the hands of many mothers and fathers after an abortion, spoken many long hours with those who perform abortions, spent time next to the elderly and sick whose lives have been discarded as no longer having value. I know the urgency of this ministry of life.

But my indignation would only be another nail on the cross, because it would be grave disobedience to my spiritual father and superior. I cannot stand for the Gospel of Life and disobey what I promised to obey until death or forfeit my immortal soul if I disobey.

I too have to sruggle with my own feelings on these issues. I struggle to keep my opinions to myself and to limit myself to offering assistance to the bishops and the laity. I struggle to love and smile at times like this.

Like Christ, I must freely lay down my life for the sake of the unborn, so that the Father can take it up again with Christ’s life. If I were to raise my voice in righteous indignation, then I am not Christ or Francis, I would be singularizing myself. My call is to disappear into the mystery of the cross for the sake of the unborn. That’s the vocation of a Francisan Brother of Life.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I understand both momor and Brother’s positions and I feel torn between the two. On the one hand, exposing scandalous behavior may lead to more scandal. On the other, silence allows the scandalous behavior to continue under the cloak of secrecy and shadow. The pedophile shuffle by the lavender mafia went on for decades because of silence and the bishops only took proper action when their hands were finally forced by exposure. The use of CCHD and Catholic University collection funds for evil causes has continued for over a decade because many uninformed laity have continued to contribute. I do know of a handful of parish priests who have discontinued these collections at their churches after knowledgeable laity made them aware of the abuses which the bishops have ignored.

At one time, I though I had read an article in the Code of Canon Law which stated laity were obligated to speak up (with charity) against abuses when the Church hierarchy failed to address those abuses. I’ll post it if I can find it.
 
The popularity of this post speaks much about the age of most on this forum. My wife teaches Confirmation. Those kids are pro life and also very much into social justice issues.
There was a large teen age gathering in my diocese last week and the common theme of those interviewed was how they as Catholics could make a difference in society. The outlook was all positive.

Haven’t people here worked with people with whom you agreed on some issues, but not on others? However, if you worked together you could bring about improvement in areas of agreement. It is sometimes better to see the glass as half full rather than half empty.
 
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