Scapegoat of recent scandal?

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What I meant was, abusers aren’t going to abuse when everyone is watching, like in school.
They abuse when people are vulnerable, alone, confused, under oppressive authority.

Priests have all the access to women they could possible want.

And at the same time, this problem is 81% male on male.
 
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goout said:
Priests have all the access to women they could possible want.
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Then why are many heterosexual married men abusers?

This is not about sex; it’s about power and control. It is not a sexual problem.
 
ConstantLearner said:
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Priests have all the access to women they could possible want.
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Then why are many heterosexual married men abusers?

This is not about sex; it’s about power and control. It is not a sexual problem.
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Not disagreeing about power. What’s your point?
81% of this abuse is male on male.
What’s your point?
 
It’s just simple observation that priests have access to young boys more than young girls, or at least they used to. Abusers usually have a preferred sex to abuse, but even male on male or female on female does not, in any way, denote homosexuality. An abusive homosexual gets no sexual satisfaction from abusing a boy or a girl.

How do you explain married heterosexual abusers?

This is an abuse problem.
 
ConstantLearner said:
Where on earth in a school filled with other kids and staff? I went to Catholic schools, and there would never have been an opportunity for a priest to abuse a young girl.
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One of the stories in the Pennsylvania was a report about a priest following a young girl into the bathroom.

Not too long ago at a Catholic high school where my family attended a lay male teacher was dismissed for horrible sexual remarks he made to a female student. There were witnesses to this and so there was no disputing it as just an attack on the teacher.

In the public high school in a small town near me there was a young girl being sexually abused by a male teacher. That situation ended very sadly. And this school has had many incidences over the years of sexual abuse on young girls from male teachers.

It happens. Schools do have their own sexual abuse problems.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
It’s just simple observation that priests have access to young boys more than young girls, or at least they used to.
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You keep asserting this, and it is simply not true.
Yes this is abuse of power. And at the same time it is 81% male on male. And that has nothing to with access to women, it has to do with the subculture at work among clergy.

What does the possibility of married heterosexual males abusing someone had to with it?
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Let’s deal with the actual problem we have, doing otherwise does not serve those at risk and those who were harmed.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
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Let’s deal with the actual problem we have , doing otherwise does not serve those at risk and those who were harmed.
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And it’s not homosexuality.
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You are parsing words for an agenda.
It is the abuse of power that is predominantly homosexual in expression.
Is that satisfactory, or do you have statistics other than what the Church acknowledges?
 
Perhaps the poster meant that since 86.6% of the sexual abuse cases are due to homosexuality, that the Church is trying to prevent such a large number of abuses (almost 90%) by dealing with it. Of course the 13.4% heterosexual cases are equally as important but when saving people and rectifying such a horrid situation, they may want to try to help and fix as many as possible instead of going for 1% at a time. That’s my understanding anyway.
 
I concede you’re right about that. I just don’t buy it as a problem of homosexuality. I think it’s an abuse problem. Abuse occurs when abusers feel powerless, even if they aren’t, then act on that feeling by taking power over those weaker than they. Sex doesn’t enter into the decision to abuse, not as sexual desire, which is where a homosexual would seek out another male (or female, if the abuser were a woman).

But I realize others have different opinions, and that’s fine.
 
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I don’t think that homosexuals generally are more likely to be abusive than heterosexuals, but I think given the environment, it’s conducive to temptation. Imagine a heterosexual man in a seminary surrounded by women in daily life, I imagine that would be a very tempting environment.

I consider myself very conservative in sexual matters, I don’t practice pre-marital sex but if I was surrounded by hot guys in a cloistered community when I wake until I sleep, I can’t say how that discipline that I have may ebb away and I might give in. And I am very strict with myself in this but when I was in school or with certain people, I could see myself influenced in many matters that the Church certainly wouldn’t approve of, but that influence is there because it surrounded me. I imagine that would’ve been a lot worse if it was a 24 /7 environment.
 
In those cases where there were active homosexual enclaves essentially running some seminaries, it was certainly a homosexual problem as well as an abuse of power.
 
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In those cases where there were active homosexual enclaves essentially running some seminaries, it was certainly a homosexual problem as well as an abuse of power.
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Right.
Failure to deal with problems as they are fails to solve problems.
 
nenabunena said:
I don’t think that homosexuals generally are more likely to be abusive than heterosexuals…
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The statistics show that homosexual predators were responsible for 81% of the abuse, yet homosexual priests are a minority of priests. Either the few that abuse are extremely active or homosexuals are more abusive than heterosexuals.
 
ConstantLearner said:
Sex doesn’t enter into the decision to abuse
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Then why were 81% of the victims male? As far as access, I think a priest has much easier access to women, either parishioners (I’ve yet to attend daily Mass where there was anywhere an equal mix of men and women) or parish staff, than boys. I think there is a definite bias in who these predators preferred.
 
Bots have always been more accessible. The scandal in PA goes back to when only boys were altar servers. Parents are far less likely to leave a young girl alone with a man, even a priest. I’m not saying none of the priests were homosexual because some were, but they don’t abuse to fulfill sexual desire. They abuse for the same reasons heterosexuals do: to gain power.
 
Silly argument. Power and control do not lead to orgasm. Sexual abuse does. No matter how many times any of you say this is not a predominately a homosexual problem, most of us will not believe you. I will also refuse to ever believe this is an access problem. I am heterosexual. I have never been attracted to another male, old or young, fit or flabby. Not while deployed for extented periods in the military with only men around, not at men only HS, never. I do love power and control, but I would never abuse someone to achieve it.
 
Your experience doesn’t really prove/assert anything though. You’re basically saying you’re not a pedophile.

I’m sure (or I hope) you don’t get desires to rape or abuse anyone even when you’re extremely aroused and attracted to a woman after being surrounded by women all day either.

Aaaand that’s the difference between a rapist and a normal person. The rapist would desire raping whilst the normal person won’t. Both can be gay or straight. Nobody is saying that all of these priests are straight yet they rape boys only for power. We’re basically saying it’s not the attraction itself that causes the abuse. It’s the ‘defect’ that differentiates them from a normal person of the same attraction (eg you should be aware by now that there are plenty of people who get aroused from inflicting pain, for example.)

Edit: would also like to add that orgasm doesn’t have to occur for it to be gratifying either. I was followed by some creep on a street once, my fear gave him power. Someone I know was groped, that act didn’t cause him to orgasm, but it was sexual abuse and he was gratified knowing he caused ‘shock’.
 
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