Its being done daily, to millions, and the paradigm is the same as yours. Granted, their history is limited and their logic is subjective, but im sure they think ours is as well which gets me back to my point.
The difference in wresting the truth and resting in the truth is usually a heart matter, not indoctrination.
I hope you are not suggesting that people’s confusion from the differing things they are told is in their own heart, are you?
And they do.
Ok, give them your magic bullet and see how many you unjustify, taking away their confusion, unto true salvation.
Are you suggesting Mormons and JW’s are simply confused by other viewpoints, that if there were a united Christian Church, all Catholic ( no O’s or P’s) , that there would be no confused folk, no Mormons etc.?
It may surprise you to learn that Catholics can (and do) use that same kind of my-beliefs-are-validated-by-my-faith approach.Peter_Jericho:
Well, at the end of the day it comes to faith. Do I have faith the God revealed the 27 books he wanted as Scripture to the church. Yes I do. Do I have understand that the church came to an agreement about what those 27 books are. Yes I do. Do I have faith that this was the will of God and He is the one responsible for this happening. Yes I do.
You see, it is not really about having faith in people, or even the church. It is about having faith in God and that His will has been accomplished.
Believe it or not, I agree with you on this point.
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Well, from our point of view, the Model T was redesigned, but by her own engineers. Others then went back to designing the old model. They more rightly may be like a Ford, where as ironically, the Ford company calls the other car " new" , and not up to Ford standards.
The “magic bullet” (not my words) is in unity. Their justification, and equally their motivation, is in our (Christian) disunity.
Honestly, when we look at Catholicism we don’t (or at least I don’t) personally see the unity you profess. Yes, you are unified on the sacraments and the dogmas of the church. But you also have different denominations under that umbrella of unity. I’ve mentioned some of them. Thomist or Molinist? SSPX, Traditionalist, Evangelical, Liberals, Charismatics, those crazy dudes in the Philippines that crucify each other every year, those folks in Latin American who have incorporated Voodoo into their version of Catholicism.
How do you know which of those different sub-denominations are getting through the narrow gate?
I do not know [just as i do not know the heart of my protestant brothers and sisters]. Obedience to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is a good start though [for me].
Well that is kinda that point. They all believe they are obedient to the Catholic Church.
Being a ‘cafeteria catholic’ or better yet, eating from the buffet over the banquet is somewhat dangerous.
Is 55:8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways—oracle of the LORD.”
And we also have teaching tool (ccc) that says otherwise that even you can use to correct those that may stray from the truth. What objective definitive tool do you have, that Mormons, JW’s and WBC don’t have, to correct other Christians who are straying from the truth? What do you have, that Mormons and JW’s don’t have, that can tell the Westboro Baptist church they have crossed the line?
…and they eventually will leave the church because of their personal thoughts. You are making my point for me.
I don’t want get too far off-topic, but as I read your various comments about unity (or lack thereof) in the Catholic Church, I keep things “Isn’t that how it always was?”
If someone believes in Sola Scriptura, why would they try to back up their claims with history?