While I did not provide direct links there is sufficient information for you or anyone else to look up the studies and decide for yourself. My problem with doing the extra work for others is that many people have already made up their minds and it turns out to be a needless waste of my time.
You posted the statistics-you need to back them up. My experience is that most of these types of statistics are not the results of any scientific survey-but are generated by special interest groups using self reporting and no control on the sample.
That is exactly what I expected your ans would be, its your modus operandi. I have no need to play your game. Anyone can look up the studies and come to their own conclusions. If you don’t to look them up for yourself its ok with me. Honest.
I don’t believe this is true. it is not been my experience or that of anyone I know-including close family members who are homosexual.
You posted the statistics-you need to back them up. My experience is that most of these types of statistics are not the results of any scientific survey-but are generated by special interest groups using self reporting and no control on the sample.
Yes, but this would seem to be the case for boys, too – and for straight girls. Why do girls who come to identify as lesbian or bisexual have such high rates of substance abuse compared to gay boys, straight boys, and straight girls? I am really puzzled by this.
Agreed (as a generality, not to be applied to all cases). Then is your idea that lesbian girls can’t use sex to numb the pain, since their relationships are so much more wholistic? Whereas men can just use sex instead of drugs to self-medicate, because the sex isn’t tied in with the rest of their personality? I suppose that might begin to be an explanation.
Well, I don’t think that more enjoyable things are more addictive. I enjoy listening to music and dancing more than pretty much anything I can think of, but I’m far from addicted to it. My evidence for thinking gay male sex is more addictive than lesbian sex is bound up in various statistical studies and my observation of history. I suppose my evidence could be skewed by the fact that lesbian sex is much less dangerous, and so there would be less reason to talk about it in public.
But then why would substance abuse rates be as high in places like San Francisco as in places like Kansas City? Why would rates be as high in the Netherlands? Your theory just doesn’t explain the evidence.
Given that I was severely depressed to the point of attempting suicide from being bullied over perceived sexual orientation I’d say that being bullied has a massive impact on depression in LGB youth.
Hi Frobert!
The causal arrow doesn’t have to go that direction. Indeed, didn’t you (or was it S?) just comment that girls often use drugs first and get into lesbianism later? It seems to me that most girls are attracted to other girls emotionally, and many physically, but at a lower level of intensity than men experience attraction. It’s not implausible that drug use puts girls in an environment where they can explore things like lesbianism, and some of them like it.
Testosterone has an emotional blunting effect and estrogen enhances the depth emotions are felt, I think that’s part of the difference between males and females. As to straight v. lesbian girls the former can dream about Mr. Right rescuing them whereas for the latter there is no Mr. Right, instead for those who live in bigoted areas there is no one, only loneliness and isolation to look forward to. The praying to God to “fix” you and it never happens.
In many cases the substance abuse start before they are teenagers.
I still don’t understand why you think gay sex is addictive
All of the evidence I’ve seen is that substance abuse rates are lower in more welcoming environments however substance abuse doesn’t simply go away after you’ve left the abusive place especially if you spent a lot of time there (especially your childhood).But then why would substance abuse rates be as high in places like San Francisco as in places like Kansas City? Why would rates be as high in the Netherlands? Your theory just doesn’t explain the evidence.
Compared with LGBT young adults who experienced very little or no parental rejection, LGBT young adults who experienced high levels of rejection were (Center for Disease Control and Prevention, 2014):Hi Frobert!
These statistics are really sad and depressing.
But they don’t necessarily prove that gay teen suicides and drug use are caused by bullying and bad treatment. In order to prove that, you would have to show these statistics alongside the statistics from gay teens who didn’t experience significant bullying or poor treatment. If you can show that this latter group aren’t more likely than straight kids to use drugs or commit suicide, then you have an argument that is extremely solid.
I’ve never seen such statistics, but maybe they’re out there. In the absence of such statistics, it is an open question whether the dysfunctional behaviors are caused by poor treatment or whether they are caused by homosexual behavior itself.
No one is claiming that everyone driven to depression is bullied, rather what is being said is that in LGBT people who were bullied and then became depressed that the depression is very likely from bullying and not merely from being LGBT
There could be multiple causes, though. The fact that one person gets driven to depression by bullying doesn’t mean that everyone driven to depression was bullied.
The drugs and alcohol are abused to help the person deny to themselves that they are lesbians, it’s using them to try to avoid their reality, but it only works for so long.
You are right they do not prove a causative relationship they are just indicative, and I think highly so, that a bullying is an important if not promary factor. Setting up control studies to prove a causative relationship for suicide would be unethical.Hi Frobert!
These statistics are really sad and depressing.
But they don’t necessarily prove that gay teen suicides and drug use are caused by bullying and bad treatment. In order to prove that, you would have to show these statistics alongside the statistics from gay teens who didn’t experience significant bullying or poor treatment. If you can show that this latter group aren’t more likely than straight kids to use drugs or commit suicide, then you have an argument that is extremely solid.
I’ve never seen such statistics, but maybe they’re out there. In the absence of such statistics, it is an open question whether the dysfunctional behaviors are caused by poor treatment or whether they are caused by homosexual behavior itself.
You have it backwards, I gave the sources if you or anyone else wishes to falsify them you are welcome to do so. I am satisfied, so asking me to prove something for your benefit is a waste of my time.
I did not read that clearly the first time. You’re right that this was the statistic set I was looking for.
Dear Portrait,
Or as one famous 19th Century wag put it:
This is a profoundly true observation that most people cannot bring themselves to embrace. I applaud you for having the courage and the common sense to point it out to a world that largely does not believe in God and has embraced hedonisms of the vilest types. We have become so corrupt that our powers of perception have become corrupted along with our morals. It is only (and forever) the Catholic Church that stands firm on the side of social decency. The decline of the influence of the Church in America is probably the greatest tragedy America is presently enduring since all other tragedies are somehow connected in one way or another with the widespread rejection of Catholic values.
If you are saying that the results are studies are not true you can attempt to falsify them, otherwise it is not the authors of the statistics from the the numerous articles cited that are lying but innuendo of others.
