sexual abuse by protestant ministers

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Swan said:
I’m sure someone has said this already but saying “others did it too” is a poor way to deal with this issue, IMO. It makes you sound overly defensive and looks like you’re trying to avoid responsibility. It makes your PR problem worse, not better. Especially since the RC claims to be “THE” church - shouldn’t you be held to a higher standard? I’m not trying to be rude here, this just seems so obvious to me. You are not doing yourselves any favors, especially as another story hits the news every day.
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There are several threads dealing with the Catholic abuse scandal.

I believe the OP was trying to point out (rightly so), that it happens everywhere. It doesn’t make it right. It doesn’t make it better or worse because it is another faith. It is just trying to get people to realize that it is all around us.

That is why this thread is talking about protestant ministers.
 
twopekinguys said:
If you really want to get scared, just check your own state’s sex offender registry, and see how many sex offenders live close to you that are not clergy of any kind.
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Yes I did, there are seven…I even knew one of the persons…That was a surprise…
 
twopekinguys said:
There are several threads dealing with the Catholic abuse scandal.

I believe the OP was trying to point out (rightly so), that it happens everywhere. It doesn’t make it right. It doesn’t make it better or worse because it is another faith. It is just trying to get people to realize that it is all around us.

That is why this thread is talking about protestant ministers.
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No, I get that. I was merely commenting on the tactic. I think most people are aware that this happens in all kinds of situations - I haven’t hear anyone claim the RC is the only place it happens. Thus, it seems a bit disingenuous.
 
twopekinguys said:
There are several threads dealing with the Catholic abuse scandal.

I believe the OP was trying to point out (rightly so), that it happens everywhere. It doesn’t make it right. It doesn’t make it better or worse because it is another faith. It is just trying to get people to realize that it is all around us.

That is why this thread is talking about protestant ministers.
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All for the sake of the victims, right?

Zach
 
twopekinguys said:
**I believe the OP was trying to point out (rightly so), that it happens everywhere. ** It doesn’t make it right. It doesn’t make it better or worse because it is another faith. It is just trying to get people to realize that it is all around us.
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Yes, which reminds me of a scripture that puts our fight as Christians into perspective…

"Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we DO NOT WRESTLE AGAINST FLESH AND BLOOD, but against principalities, against powers,*** against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places***. Eph. 6:11-12…
 
Zach82 said:
I am not trying to deny that there have been Protestant pedophiles because I wholly admit and decry its truth. I do, however, disagree with your assertion that what the Catholic Church does has nothing to do with us Episcopalians. It has much to do with us because we have far more in common than we have different. So far as the world is concerned, we are One Church under One Christ. While so many Protestants would try to use this situation to one up the Catholics, I will not do that. What sullies the credibility of the Catholic Church sullies the credibility of the Episcopal Church.

In that spirit, honestly, quit it with the finger pointing to the protestants. It just makes you look bad. Which makes us look bad. So stop it.

Zach
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If you are looking for guidance from the Catholic Church on how to handle things, then maybe you should be Catholic.

Maybe you should reread what I posted. I said “How the Catholic church does, or does not handle the abuses should in no way affect how the Episcopalian church handles theirs”.

I didn’t say the Catholic Church has nothing to do with Episcopalians. Yes, we have things in common, but it isn’t the Episcopal church that is all over the headlines now is it?

I have to disagree with you on your statement, “So far as the world is concerned, we are One Church under One Christ.” If that were the case, the headlines would be alot more busy than what they are now. This current problem is directed solely at the Catholic Church. I haven’t heard them mention a single abuse case from the Episcopal Church on the news, have you?

Hahaha, I look bad? You come on here making your pronouncement that the Catholic Church should do better in handling these things, and then try to make it seem like you were directing your comments at both the Catholic and Episcopal churches…now that is funny.
 
Swan said:
No, I get that. I was merely commenting on the tactic. I think most people are aware that this happens in all kinds of situations - I haven’t hear anyone claim the RC is the only place it happens. Thus, it seems a bit disingenuous.
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But the funny thing is, there are many posters on here that want to fan the flames, and only point out the problems within the Catholic Church. You know, for many, it is easier to point out someone else’s flaws, than to look at their own.
 
nhylan said:
Your kidding yourself if you don’t think this is a compulsion for many people. They can’t stop themselves.
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Really…? Just like a drug addict can’t stop doing drugs…? I know for a fact that’s NOT true.
 
Zach82 said:
Dear Catholics,

Blaming gays, deflecting attention onto Protestants, blaming the victims, and generally acting like this all a public relations issue instead of an issue of justice is all atrocious and absurd. How you deal with these abuse cases reflects on all of us Christians. Please make an effort to deal with them better.

Sincerely,

Episcopalians
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What an ignorant post. You speak for the Episcopalians and address the Catholic Church as a whole - asking us to “make an effort” to deal with this issue…

Do you really think that you can just go around blaming the whole entire Church for the actions of a few…?

This is the kind of venom that causes anti-Catholic rhetoric. Go ahead and keep blaming the Church as a whole… Its your life.
 
TEPO said:
What an ignorant post. You speak for the Episcopalians and address the Catholic Church as a whole - asking us to “make an effort” to deal with this issue…

Do you really think that you can just go around blaming the whole entire Church for the actions of a few…?

This is the kind of venom that causes anti-Catholic rhetoric. Go ahead and keep blaming the Church as a whole… Its your life.
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This is completely ridiculous. I was very clearly talking about how the Catholic hierarchy was handling the situation and never once blamed Catholics for pedophilia. Of the specific reactions I listed, I suppose you have used one I should add.

“Crying ‘Anti-Catholicism!’ whenever issues are mentioned.”

Zach
 
Zach82 said:
This is completely ridiculous. I was very clearly talking about how the Catholic hierarchy was handling the situation and never once blamed Catholics for pedophilia. Of the specific reactions I listed, I suppose you have used one I should add.

“Crying ‘Anti-Catholicism!’ whenever issues are mentioned.”

Zach
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Yeah right…! Then why did you address the post “Dear Catholics”…?

Also, exactly which members of the Hierarchy are you accusing of “deflecting attention onto Protestants”…?
 
Zach82 said:
This is completely ridiculous. I was very clearly talking about how the Catholic hierarchy was handling the situation and never once blamed Catholics for pedophilia. Of the specific reactions I listed, I suppose you have used one I should add.

“Crying ‘Anti-Catholicism!’ whenever issues are mentioned.”

Zach
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Now that is a strectch. Tepo was explaining what causes anti-catholic rhetoric. Not that his is anti-catholic speech. What was it you said earlier? Yay literacy!

Obviously you are not very good at expressing what you were trying to say (or are you).

You address something as “Dear Catholics”, but later try to portray it as being addressed to both the Catholic and Episcopal churches.

Now, you are saying that it was addressed to the Catholic heirarchy.

Which is it? Stick to one story or the other.

I have a news flash for you. I am pretty sure, that none of the Catholic heirarchy that you are supposedly addressing read CAF. But nice try.
 
I am very concerned for those who have suffered through these ordeals; the innocent have been targeted and no one was there to protect them. I have mentioned before that we as a community failed to protect them as well.

The idea that these incidents happen within the CC because of the hierarchy, or the fact that priests do not marry is an ignorant assumption from non-believers. If this assumption was so, then these abuses would not be happening at alarming rates in other denominations. Before non-believers start telling us Catholics how to clean up our act maybe they should look in their own backyard?

This pope is fighting a great battle against a malicious evil that snakes its way through anything. He is doing more than anyone really knows and yet I have not heard one single offer of prayer to our leader in order to help out these victims and purge the church of this evil. Instead the non-believers seem to stand apart from us and are comfortable because it is not their church that is being attacked. Remember what the media is doing. The secular world will start with us, who is next?

God Bless:)
 
Two, I’ve made it pretty clear what I was talking about. I certainly did say mistakes have been made, but I had said nothing that is malicious about Catholicism. All I did was list some reactions to the scandals which are innappropriate and reflect poorly on Catholicism. I then said that what reflects poorly on Catholicism reflects poorly on Episcopalians.

I think you really need to take some time away to cool off, because you seem terribly determined see offense where it is not and rush to defend the Church. Very poorly, I might add.

Zach
 
Zach82 said:
Two, I’ve made it pretty clear what I was talking about. I certainly did say mistakes have been made, but I had said nothing that is malicious about Catholicism. All I did was list some reactions to the scandals which are innappropriate and reflect poorly on Catholicism. I then said that what reflects poorly on Catholicism reflects poorly on Episcopalians.

I think you really need to take some time away to cool off, because you seem terribly determined see offense where it is not and rush to defend the Church. Very poorly, I might add.

Zach
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I’m sorry, but do you even read what you write?

Your initial post on this thread was addressed “Dear Catholics”, then you go on to accuse Catholics of “Blaming gays, deflecting attention onto Protestants, blaming the victims”.

That is not only wrong, but it is malicious.

Not to mention, you signed your post “Episcopalians”. What are you the Archbishop of Cantebury? Are you speaking for all Episcopalians?

Now comes the laughable part. That is where you state, “I am basically saying we Catholics and Episcopalians are in the same boat.”

Explain to me exactly how your original post could even remotely be construed as you talking about both churches. By the way, I asked you to explain this earlier, and you have never done so.

Then somehow you think that the way the Catholic church deals with something is going to affect the Episcopal Church. If the Episcopal church was in the headlines the way the Catholic Church is right now, I might see a connection, but unfortunately that isn’t the case now is it? Aren’t the leaders of the Episcopal church able to take their own stance on issues?

Your comments, “So far as the world is concerned, we are One Church under One Christ”, and “quit it with the finger pointing to the protestants. It just makes you look bad” are a major contradiction. On one hand you’re saying people think we are the same, and on the other hand you’re distancing yourself as a protestant. Which is it?

I will always defend the Church against unfounded and malicious attacks such as yours, so be prepared for it.
 
Do you even know what it means to “Be in the same boat,” Two?

Zach
 
I am going to assume that you don’t, Two. To say “We are on the same boat” does not mean “We are guilty of the same thing.” It would be more apt to put it as “What effects you effects both of us.” Since I have clarified myself many times, you have absolutely no reason to continue these tiresome and paranoid accusations of yours.

Just to cover my bases, if you, Catholics, have not personally engaged in the above listed behaviors to the abuse scandals, then I apologize and clarify that I never intended to accuse you of anything.

If you, like Two here, have done so, then my comments still stand.

Zach
 
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