Sexual Morality "Opt-out"

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Can you at least agree that sexual morality is an essential subject to learn about for confirmation candidates?
 
QwertyGirl said:
You don’t get it. You aren’t going to get it because you don’t want to get it.

Just because you think something is wonderful doesn’t mean everyone else will. We are all at different places in life.
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I guess the organizers of World Youth Day don’t get it either?
It is a beautiful, tender, empathetic video.

Even as an adult, it helped me heal from past woundedness.
 
You keep discussing how beautiful the video is.

You don’t address the joy you felt at the discomfort the people around you were feeling.
 
How come you are presuming that people are being uncomfortable and that this particular person was happy about it?
 
I_trust said:
The Church’s teaching on the beauty of human sexuality is not a “personal topic”.
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Have you studied The Truth and Meaning of Human Sexuality?

Because what you have said here is in conflict with both that and Familiaris Consortio.
 
“It was so cool. Nobody knew it was coming”

“Shocked, stunned parents.”

“No opt out if you don’t know its coming!”

Separately, those sentences may not mean much. In combination with each other, it is an illustration of someone who is clearly happy at the discomfort of the people around him. You won’t convince me otherwise.

At the very end, he typed “I loved it.” I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was referring to the videos. Although I think I know better.
 
I was joyful that the DRE had the courage to show the video.
I loved the video.

People were shocked, yes…I learned later.
The joy I felt was not that people were shocked, but that the kids were finally able to hear the truth about the Church’s teaching.

Has anyone else watched the video?
What did you think?
 
Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman said:
Can you at least agree that sexual morality is an essential subject to learn about for confirmation candidates?
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No, I can’t. What I can agree to is that you should stop learning about your faith (in this world) when you die. That means you learn all the days of your life.

We have 70 year olds on this forum who are still trying to grasp all of the Church’s teachings on sexual morality. It is not a requirement to have instruction on this topic to receive the sacrament of confirmation.

Now me…well I believe if older kids are being confirmed they should be learning this stuff already, because of their age. But that is just me. I am not their parents.
 
They may be different, but confirmation is a commitment to the Catholic church and Her teachings. Candidates should know those teachings.
 
1ke said:
properly disposed means you are in a state of grace.
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Thanks for the correction. Point taken. I agree that one doesn’t need to know everything about the faith to be suitably instructed. My point was more that it is ultimately the bishop’s job, not mine as a catechist, to decide what constitutes suitable instruction and and how to determine whether it has taken place.
 
Yes I have.

What have I posted that is in conflict?
I take no offence, I want to be corrected if I am in error.

Please note…
The parents signed up for Confirmation class, so that the Church would help them in their duty to prepare their kids.
The nuts and bolts of sexuality were not presented, this is NOT a sex-ed class.
The teaching of the Church on morality is presented.
The parents were encouraged to discuss the video with their kids.
No discussion in the class.
 
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QwertyGirl said:
No, I can’t.
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OK, well, the bishop has the duty and authority to decide what constitutes suitable instruction to satisfy canon law and his duty to prepare candidates in his diocese for confirmation. The parents have the primary right and duty to teach that, but the bishop has the right and duty to set the curriculum. He is probably also very aware that although the age has been rising, the average age of losing virginity in the US is 17-18 years old. There is a danger in delay.
 
1ke said:
Passing a knowledge test is NOT a prerequisite for sacramental grace.
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Having said that, a bishop may decide that suitable instruction for confirmation includes exposing the candidate to sufficient knowledge to spread and defend the faith. Maybe they don’t have to memorize it, but how can they live and defend what they have never even heard about?

Knowledge is a gift of the Holy Spirit, after all.
 
I am not advocating for delay. I am advocating for respect of parents and families to decide what information is presented, and how, to the kids with regards to these topics.

Most people in these forums have their hair on fire whenever anyone suggests that it is perfectly fine to have gender awareness training in public schools. Many suggest that is the time to pull the kids out and homeschool them. Of course parents should be able to pull their kids and opt out of such training. And yet, the same folks don’t see anything wrong with not giving parents the opportunity to make the same decision when it is the Church presenting the lesson. Seems really hypocritical (for lack of a better word) to me.
 
QwertyGirl said:
And yet, the same folks don’t see anything wrong with not giving parents the opportunity to make the same decision when it is the Church presenting the lesson.
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We didn’t have our children baptized as members of the local school district and promise to bring them up to know what the school district teaches to be true, either. Every one of us went to the Church and asked to have them baptized into the faith. The beginning of the baptismal celebration went something like this:

Priest: You have asked to have your child baptized. In doing so you are accepting the responsibility of training him/her in the practice of the faith. It will be your duty to bring him/her up to keep God’s commandments as Christ taught us, by loving God and our neighbor. Do you clearly understand what you are undertaking?

Parents: We do.

Then later:

Dear parents and godparents: You have come here to present this child for baptism. By water and the Holy Spirit he/she is to receive the gift of new life from God, who is love.

On your part, you must make it your constant care to bring him (her) up in the practice of the faith. See that the divine life which God gives him/she is kept safe from the poison of sin, to grow always stronger in his/her heart.

If your faith makes you ready to accept this responsibility, renew now the vows of your own baptism. Reject sin; profess your faith in Christ Jesus. This is the faith of the Church. This is the faith in which this child is about to be baptized.

I am having a hard time believing that people think it is wrong to teach confirmation candidates about marriage and what the Church teaches about marriage in a way that includes issues that are now appearing on prime time TV. What closet do we believe these young people are living in?

At any rate, it is the bishop’s curriculum and the bishop’s call. I don’t see any of his brother bishops calling him on insisting that confirmation candidates be exposed to lessons on the meaning of marriage and the 6th Commandment. He will learn the particulars of the situation and if he decides to let some candidates opt out, I’m sure he will have good reason for that. (That’s why they let him carry the long crooked stick…)
 
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I am not going to keep talking in circles. I don’t think you have read any of my posts. I don’t believe any body should live in a closet. I am one of those who think sex education and beyond in the public school system is not only necessary but essential. But I am also someone who believes parents should have the right to opt out and teach it at home. Incidentally, I don’t believe things like sex education should be optional. I think it needs to be taught as biology class, and tested on. Fine for parents to opt their kids out and teach it at home, but they still should be subject to the test to pass biology. No excuse for ignorance in this regard. But discussions about values, etc., if parents want to teach it at home, fine. But that doesn’t mean a school needs to tolerate bullying, or worse, from ignorant kids whose parents aren’t teaching them. But, I digress.

I am not here to argue about content. I am here to say it isn’t right to do what the DRE did as described in the previous post. I already have outlined the reasons why. Sexual morality is not just an academic subject. It is a values subject. You don’t force those kinds of lessons on anyone by brining them in and not telling them what they can anticipate. It is disrespectful.

Now that is all I have to say on this matter, so I won’t be replying further with regards to it.
 
I didn’t say I was leaving. Just no more commenting on that particular topic in this thread.
 
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