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Pattylt
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That’s it! I knew it had a name!
I knew many in college that blamed their class absence on “problems with the boiler last night”.
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I knew many in college that blamed their class absence on “problems with the boiler last night”.
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Margaret_Ann
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is “shotgunning beers”?
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Raxus
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Drinking a whole beer at one go.
I had in mind gulping several beers in rapid succession. Not to be pedantic, but the subject line was “shotgunning beers”, not “shotgunning a beer”.
I haven’t been to a party in years, and any get-together for years before that, would have been work-related. I am a very boring person. Contented, but boring. I’m really kind of a loner. I like myself the way I am.HomeschoolDad:
Dang, I bet you’re a hoot at parties…or would be, if the party-goers didn’t stare at each others’ ankles and WRITE NOTES to each other like the unshackled, lust-ridden animals they are.
Shotgunning, as it has been described above, by itself is more just a rapid way of consuming a beverage. It wouldn’t be my thing, but unless it is in a gluttonous quantity, it wouldn’t be sinful, just bad table manners at worst.
But drunkenness not objectively a sin? I don’t think so. Drunkenness is indeed objectively sinful. Whether it is mortal or venial depends on “how drunk DRUNK is”. See this from catholicculture.com:
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Raxus
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That’s not an objective sin either.
Word. I’m very much a loner too, with rare exception. Best not to sling false information around, either way.
No it isn’t. The Church has no problems with the state of drunkeness, and that’s all I need to know. Anything from anywhere else is an opinion to agree with or dismiss, as one chooses.
Any place that has the shotgunning of beers going on likely isn’t overly concerned with table manners.
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Well, yes, it is. From Jone’s Moral Theology:
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And from the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia:
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14481a.htm
Abstinence is opposed to the vices of gluttony and drunkenness. The disorder of these is that food and drink are made use of in such wise as to damage instead of benefit the bodily health. Hence gluttony and drunkenness are said to be intrinsically wrong. That does not mean, however, that they are always grievous sins. Gluttony is seldom such; drunkenness is so when it is complete, that is when it destroys the use of reason for the time being. [emphases mine]
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Tis_Bearself
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I do too, but Jharek advised that in Ireland that would be considered really rude and insensitive.
Me mither always made a point of telling me we’re Americans now though so…I’ll drink one
Tis_Bearself
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Those used to be my favorite back when I was a couple decades younger. Killians Red + Bushmills over ice (yes, ice) in a fruit jar.
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njlisa
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From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
And just as a reminder to shotgunners, there’s a pop-top.
If you’re shotgunning to get plastered, you’re not practicing the virtue of temperance.
And just as a reminder to shotgunners, there’s a pop-top.
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dochawk
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but it’s kind of tough to drink it after you shoot it . . . .(which makes a strong case for shooting budweiser & miller . . .)
alcohol abuse!
that spoils both a good irish whiskey and a good irish beer!
oh. At least you didn’t waste whiskey . . .
That’s it.Anyone like Bud Select 55?
Someone get me a gun.
Aw, nuts, it’s a case.
Someone get me a gatling gun . . .
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yikes.
I tend to put a bottle (which I otherwise refuse to use) of a north european lager [my idea of “lawnmower beer”] in a big thermos mug of icewater when I mow, but real beer while mowing? . . . uh, it’s over 100 most of the time when I’m mowing . . . )
those are “depth charges”, thought hat term is used. An actual boilermaker is the shot of whiskey immediately followed by a short beer chaser.
for those purposes, especially considering the age of the rules, beer is bread.BTW, I believe my Orthodox cousin once told me that while wine is forbidden during fast periods, beer technically isn’t…is that your understanding?
And it’s less than clear that there is a reason for the wine restriciton other than being stored in animal skin (which is why olive oil is banned).
(and you can eat shrimp and lobster, too–disgusting sea bugs that only the poorest of the poor would have to eat . . . the rules predate hot butter such an extravagant use of hot butter . . .)
try being an irish american with a very british name . . . I keep eyeing my own car!CTBcin:
I do too, but Jharek advised that in Ireland that would be considered really rude and insensitive.
Me mither always made a point of telling me we’re Americans now though so…I’ll drink one
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Aughhhh! That’s orange whiskey!
I always wondered why the Orthodox banned olive oil during fasting times.
Surely, you learn something new every day.
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CTBcin
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Well, I’m not surprised, given the name.
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jeannetherese
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In that case, slugs would be in order.
Is that the result of too many beers, by any chance?
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TheIttyBitty
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Is there an online copy of that Heribert Jone book?
Sorry for going off topic.
Sorry for going off topic.
Don’t worry, I’m not a guardian of the “keep it on topic” school of thought. Discussions among intelligent, articulate people with fertile minds often go every-which-way, but that’s not allowed on these forums. But I won’t flag you or anything, don’t worry
I can’t find any online PDF copies of Jone. The link I used to acquire mine is now dead. I am going to make the assumption that Jone is in the public domain — when Mr Nelson owned TAN Books, he made a career of finding old, public-domain books and reprinting them. I don’t know how, or if, reprints affect the public-domain status of the original works. I got my hardcover copy of Jone from a used bookseller — mine was fairly cheap, but any remaining originals are probably pretty pricey, it’s out of print. I reason that my downloading a PDF (when it was available) was simply an indirect way of rendering my hardcover copy easier to use, and to use as a source.
Jone is a great resource, but it is not, and was never intended to be, a comprehensive treatment of different opinions of moral theologians. Rather, Jone takes what he presents as the common opinions of moral theologians, and puts them in digest format, usually without primary-source citations.
If I had my own “real” website — not that horribly-difficult-to-edit WordPress thing I now have — I would upload my PDF copy of Jone, among other things, to permit readers to download it. But I’ve got a lot of “irons in the fire” right now, and don’t have time to maintain a website. Besides, homeschooldad.com is already taken — I checked.
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