Shotgunning beers

[Raxus]

Well, yes, it is. From Jone’s Moral Theology :

No, it’s not. From the CCC, which is the only source I’m interested in:

2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of
excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur
grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own
and others’ safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.

Simply getting drunk is not an abuse, objectively. It IS a subjective abuse if one gets drunk knowing that they’re likely to put themselves or others in jeopardy, however.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

Simply getting drunk is not an abuse, objectively.

I guess it depends on whether you view drunkenness as per se the abuse of alcohol.

 

[Raxus]

I guess it depends on whether you view drunkenness as per se the abuse of alcohol.

Alcohol by its very nature gets one drunk, and Jesus turned water into wine. That tells me all I need to know about the objective nature of being drunk.

 

[phil19034]

When in college, I was visiting Notre Dame. The hall director for the dorm we were staying at was the President of the university.

We were all drinking underage.

Next thing we know, the university president knocks on the door and comes in.

He asked if we were drinking, the boys if the room said yes. He asked if we were playing drinking games, the boys said no.

Then, Father said, “Good, there is. I thing wrong with drinking but drinking games are a sin. Have fun and good night!”

I was floored (it was a Freshman dorm).

 

[Glennon_P]

those are “depth charges”, thought hat term is used. An actual boilermaker is the shot of whiskey immediately followed by a short beer chaser.

So…is a depth charge a subset of a boilermaker? In other words, are all depth charges boilermakers but not all boilermakers are depth charges?

I’ve seen boilermakers made three ways…drop the shot glass with whiskey into the beer (“depth charge”); drink the shot of whiskey and then sip your beer; and pour the whiskey (but not the shot glass) into the beer and sip your beer.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

RolandThompsonGunner:

I guess it depends on whether you view drunkenness as per se the abuse of alcohol.

Alcohol by its very nature gets one drunk, and Jesus turned water into wine. That tells me all I need to know about the objective nature of being drunk.

Define “drunk”.

Alcohol, if consumed in moderation, especially if food is taken with it, will have no discernible effect upon one’s reason or physical faculties. You might experience a slight flushing or a small amount of relaxation, but that does not rise to the level of “drunkenness”. Again, a definition would be helpful.

 

[TheIttyBitty]

Unless the reprints are from before 1924, they’d be off-limits (photos), but reformatting or re-typing is possible (original content, not any post 1924 edits)…

That would be a mountain of work that I wouldn’t wish on anyone. No worries!

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

Alcohol, if consumed in moderation, especially if food is taken with it, will have no discernible effect upon one’s reason or physical faculties. You might experience a slight flushing or a small amount of relaxation, but that does not rise to the level of “drunkenness”. Again, a definition would be helpful.

My definition of drunk (as it pertains to sin) would be that point at which your behavior is significantly altered. Like, if you’re tipsy enough to sing karaoke and the jokes are extra funny, you’re not “drunk” and you’re well shy of sin. If it goes much past that, you’re getting into dicier territory.

 

[TC3033]

What is shotgunning a beer?
Is it like picking the largest wine glass and guzzling prosecco?

Or

My kids…the boys…used to puncture holes in the side bottom of juice boxes

Your boys were “shotgunning” juice boxes. That’s exactly what shotgunning a beer is. Puncture the can at the bottom of a side then pop the top.

 

[OddBird]

Lefee ale is monastic and we have that. (Just checked) lol

Sorry for being a pit pedantic (), but…

If you mean Leffe, then not quite.

It’s what we call an abbey beer in French, which means the recipe was elaborated by monks but sold on to a secular business. Trappist beers, on the other hand, are still produced in monasteries.

A story about Leffe : when Leffe monks sold their beer recipe, the buyer asked them if they’d like royalties. They tentatively said “yes”, thinking it would never get big… but it did, and these royalties now fetch somewhere around 7-figure numbers.

So, of course, having taken poverty vows, the monks give it all to charities.

Which is why, if you ask my husband what beer he’d like, he’ll answer “a Leffe, for the poor”

 

[Raxus]

Define “drunk”.

“Drunk” is past tipsy, swaying when you walk, that kind of thing. Still not an objective sin. Subjective? Quite possibly, depending on the person and their proclivities.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

HomeschoolDad:

Define “drunk”.

“Drunk” is past tipsy, swaying when you walk, that kind of thing. Still not an objective sin. Subjective? Quite possibly, depending on the person and their proclivities.

Then at what point would you say that drunkenness becomes objectively sinful? When you pass out on the floor? When you can’t walk or talk? Not even then? Why?

I will stick with Jone and New Advent, and I think most faithful Catholics would concur. Alcohol isn’t a big part of my life anyway. I could never take another drink the rest of my life, and I wouldn’t miss it one bit.

 

[RolandThompsonGunner]

Alcohol isn’t a big part of my life anyway

I kind of feel the same way. I enjoy a drink in the evening while my wife and I are watching tv, but I don’t find outright drunkenness pleasant anymore.

A nice, relaxed feeling where my limbs might seem a little heavy? Sure. Staggering around talking nonsense, waiting on a headache the next day? Hard pass.

 

[Raxus]

Then at what point would you say that drunkenness becomes objectively sinful? When you pass out on the floor? When you can’t walk or talk? Not even then? Why?

In isolation, those acts are not objectively sinful; otherwise, napping during the day would have to be objectively sinful as well!

Given context, those things could of course be sinful; but that’s subjective, not objective.

I will stick with Jone and New Advent

You do you, Boo.

and I think most faithful Catholics would concur.

No True Scotsman fallacy. You have no idea what “most faithful Catholics” would concur with in this regard, because you lack the ability to ask them all.

Alcohol isn’t a big part of my life anyway. I could never take another drink the rest of my life, and I wouldn’t miss it one bit.

Very much the same. I’m not going to castigate others for it, though.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

HomeschoolDad:

and I think most faithful Catholics would concur.

No True Scotsman fallacy. You have no idea what “most faithful Catholics” would concur with in this regard, because you lack the ability to ask them all.

I am using my common sense. I gave up that “you can’t know unless you ask everybody” thing for Lent. I’ve run into that objection before. It is no more in line with reality, than the “no true Scotsman” fallacy is.

We could always do a poll here on CAF. Be on the lookout for it.

 

[adamhovey1988]

Having lived in the deep south (US) most of my life, and being kind of sick of stereotypes of both southerners, and Catholics, umm, what?

 

[TMC]

I thought it referred to puncturing a hole in the lower edge of a can of beer…putting your mouth on the hole and then popping the top to shoot the beer down your throat. I’ve never done it and am unsure here…isn’t this shotgunning a beer?

That is shotgunning. Did it as a young Marine. It is exactly as ill-advised as it sounds.

 

[Glennon_P]

It is exactly as ill-advised as it sounds.

Yes it is. Unfortunately, I had a lot of situations in my younger days that would qualify…

 

[goout]

Been there done that. Shotgunned marijuana also. It was real fun for a while, then it wasn’t so much fun. Was tragic actually.
Shotgunning beers is stupid. And the stuff that happens when you are in a physical, mental, and moral stupor can turn stupidity into tragedy.

 

[TheIttyBitty]

Like, if you’re tipsy enough to sing karaoke and the jokes are extra funny, you’re not “drunk” and you’re well shy of sin.

Some people prefer karaoke sober. There’s even a karaoke app for that now…(it’s rather popular, people tend to be more competitive so don’t usually drink and sing)…

Some people find jokes funnier when people are around…both don’t necessarily require alcohol. Laughter is contagious, after all. This is so subjective as to be an impossible way for some to measure their drunkenness.