Should Catholics practice Kosher laws?

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Yes, China reaches the point of sadism.
I’ve seen vids of them blow torching and pinning dogs in boiling water alive, and actually having fun doing so. That is evil.

This is a good example for my point, don’t you think that even eating meat that has been killed this way is a sin?
 
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The wanton infliction of pain on animals is, in fact, a sin in the Catholic Church.

Slaughtering animals is never pretty…
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I remember the day the butcher’s truck came for one of our steers. They went up to the animal, hit it with the bolt, it dropped like a rock, they pulled the carcass into the truck and drove away. The other cows were in the field and they weren’t upset. They didn’t seem to have any idea what just happened, and I don’t think that steer ever knew what hit it.

Yeah, the slaughtering part is bloody, but it doesn’t have to upset any animals.
 
In the West we do not eat meat prepared the way they do in China for the dog and cat festival. And many Western people have protested or done activist work against the dog festival. Many Chinese don’t even like the dog festival because people’s pet dogs are kidnapped to be sold for it. In some villages if they catch a dog thief they will beat him very severely (not that Christ likes that either).

In the West we’re more concerned about things like inhumane conditions for veal and foie gras. I almost never eat veal because of that, and rarely eat foie gras either; in some places in USA, it is banned to even sell it.

Most of the abuses that go on in the slaughterhouse industry are not known to consumers unless some watchdog group makes them public. And I don’t think every meat processing operation is abusive. We do have government oversight that is supposed to monitor conditions.

It seems like you’re just trying to make Catholics somehow responsible for things that are beyond their reasonable control here, and I’m not sure what the point of it is. As someone pointed out, cruelty to animals is already considered a sin by the Church.
 
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Once again, you’re finding sin where there likely isn’t any. If I’m starving and kill an animal for food, it probably doesn’t matter how I kill it. Further, let’s say an animal is killed horribly but the end consumers don’t know if it. Do they sin? Of course not. What are we goong to do - have varieties of culpability based on who watched what video on YouTube? This reaches the point of absurdity really quickly.
 
I understand the way some traditions slaughter meat is actually pretty grim to our modern sensibilities. Maybe you should investigate the ways of butchering before further debate.
 
We cannot equate the barbaric slaughter of dogs in China or fur skinning , or Japanese dolphin slaughter with Western slaughterhouse practices.n There are some truly barbaric and cruel practices worldwide . We have cruel practices in the west too,

They are topics not to be conflated.

I am sure though that Pope Francis speaks for all barbaric practices.
 
That they are actually knocked out and not paralyzed. There are conflicting reports on this.
 
Some thoughts:
  • Don’t the Ethiopian Orthodox (Tewahedo) keep some form of kosher?
  • The way I heard it, kosher ensures that meat is only eaten from those animals who are not predators or scavengers.
  • The idea of boiling a kid in its mother’s milk is one of compassion — Judaism sees this as cruel to both the kid and its mother, and there is some internal logic to that, not that the meat becomes unclean in itself, but “just the thought of it”. This said, it makes no sense to extend this prohibition to, let’s say, a fully grown steer and the milk from a random cow.
  • I was once invited to go squirrel hunting, ended up not going, I have never been squirrel hunting before (nor any other kind of hunting, though I am adept with a hunting rifle for target practice and plinking), so I watched some videos on how to dress the animal for its meat. I finally gave up and said “I couldn’t do that — I’d hurl!”. Honesty probably demands that I become a vegetarian.
 
It can be argued that being cruel/sadistic to animals is a big sin.
 
When i refer to Kosher, i’m mostly about the butchering method. That we must be humane in how we kill animals for food… and as christian, i some how think it is important that we are strict with this principle. Just like the Jews are, they will not eat an animal they think was treated/killed cruelly, and they think consuming that is a sin in itself.

If you go to youtube and just type in “Farm to Fridge” and just watch a clip of it… is there any way God would be ok with all that?
 
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When i refer to Kosher, i’m mostly about the butchering method. That we must be humane in how we kill animals for food… and as christian, i some how think it is important that we are strict with this principle. Just like the Jews are, they will not eat an animal they think was treated/killed cruelly, and they think consuming that is a sin in itself.

If you go to youtube and just type in “Farm to Fridge” and just watch a clip of it… is there any way God would be ok with all that?
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I’ve no problem with clean and so-called humane butchering…
 
I understand that someone who was not raised on a farm or does not hunt might have problems with how animals are butchered.

No one is seeking to torcher the animal; they are trying to kill it in the quickest and most efficient manner possible. There is no sin in it as there is no intent to cause unnecessary pain.

As to your hint about God not wanting/liking us to eat meat, God manages to be pretty plain and obvious as to what He wants/expects. People 3,000 or 4,000 years ago did not have a refrigerator or freezer and some of the dietary laws likely were due to not poisoning themselves or incurring trichinosis.

You are way overthinking things. If you wish to be a vegetarian or a vegan and that is fine (I choose not to), but what is primarily at play seems to be an emotional response to seeing slaughtering. I understand that, but my answer is “no”.
 
No one in the slaughter business is being cruel or sadistic. They dispatch the animal quickly and proceed with the butchering.
 
Some people will never make huters, and that is fine. I suspected I would not deal well with it, but I find that I have no problem either dispatching the animal quickly, or gutting it. And I hunt mule deer, antelope, elk, turkeys and Barbary sheep (aka aoudad). All are free range, none have had antibiotics, and I have not bought domestic sheep, chicken, beef or pork (and that, excepted for the sausage I have made) for some time.

And squirrels don’t’ provide a whole lot of meat, and locally the type of squirrel around here is off limits. But shooting one takes a bit of skill.
 
Animals that are afraid or in pain at the moment of death, or animals that linger without dying, will usually taste nasty, as well as being almost inedible due to various bodily emissions.

I mean, I hate to point out the obvious, but clean kills are a must for good eating.

Inhumane slaughter means that the meat will not pass inspection, and it will not be suitable even as food for animals or as trash.

It is the same reason that most wild predator animals try to kill quickly. It is not just a good idea; it is nature’s law.
 
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You are most likely referring to adrenaline. I have hunted antelope - the second fastest moving animal on 4 legs on earth. They see to run for the fun of it, and I recall driving up a muddy lane between to fields in a snowstorm; they were clustered on a rise in the road about 800 yards ahead, the whole herd looking at us. As we started to move again, so did they, and they appeared intent on moving a mile or so before they stopped. I have yet to have any tainted meat, but I don’t bother to take a shot at a running animal as I am not that good. Steady, standing or moving slowly, and one shot harvests the animal.

Tainted meat is more likely due to not properly gutting and skinning the animal promptly and getting the meat temperature down quickly.
 
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