Should Catholics practice Kosher laws?

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If all people were vegans, everyone in the world would have more than enough to eat; no one would have to die of starvation.
 
If you are emotionally upset with the methods of butchering animals, I would suggest that you look at nature: find some videos of cheetahs, lions, cougars, wolves or coyotes bringing down their prey. People who butcher are cruel? Predators define the term, if you want to apply an emotional word to it.

And I didn’t create nature - God did, and that is how one animal feeds on another.
 
Eating too much meat can also contribute to cause heart attacks and strokes, and a multitude of other illnesses.

I have been a vegetarian for 30 years. I have been vegan for the last five weeks.

Those who are interested in these diets might consider doing it in honor of Lent, which will begin in two weeks.

Blessings to all.
 
And your point is? You are reacting emotionally to the videos. I don’t. No one there is seeking to cause unnecessary pain to the animals. Does it cause pain to some? Yes. Is that avoidable? For the most part, no. It is a business where you may process several hundred animals a day or more; and speed is required; and most of the animals die very quickly. They are treated with as much dignity as can be had, given the numbers; they are not slowly killed, and no one doing that is doing so because at heart they are a sadist. Do some die not as quickly as the rest? Yes; but that is not on purpose.

As I said, you are reacting emotionally. I understand that better than you may think, and I am not standing in judgement of that fact; I am simply stating it. If this upsets you emotionally, then don’t eat meat. that is fine, too. And as I noted, if you think that is cruel, then you should watch how predators harvest their prey. It is every bit and more gruesome. As child, some 65+ years ago, I watched my grandfather harvest several chickens with an ax. I learned about life early on; and I have respect for every animal I harvest; that is why I am slow and careful with my shots. And with every animal I harvest, when I reach it I say a short prayer of thanks for the animal, and for the harvest.
 
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🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 You have that right! Particularly if I can have a good IPA with it.
 
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did you really watch it? I just want to make sure first.

If you can describe just the 1st minute of the 5th video on that list.
 
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Yes, I watched it,. Saw some animals hanging upside down and being bled out. Saw some pigs squealing and slipping around. Saw some rabbits being skinned (very efficiently - they were already dead).Saw some cows being knocked out - they went down fast; and one was laying sideways and kicking as the blow was ineffective.

Yes, I watched the video. I would recommend you not apply for work there, nor would I care to (I know what the smell of blood is, and do not particularly care for it; but it is nowhere as sharp as cow manure, or silage).

But that video will not even slow me down if I get a chance to have a piece of tri-tip, or a nice steak, or a couple of rabbit legs.

Like I said, I got first-hand knowledge of the source of the phrase “running around like a chicken with its head cut off”. Literally. And I still enjoy chicken when served it.
 
Many of us do not have time to watch videos just so we know what you are talking about. In addition, those types of videos are unlikely to be objective. At the least you should describe the problems as you understand them. You should then provide references that do not include videos. It’s simply being considerate to the rest of us.
 
Future_Catechum said:
If all people were vegans, everyone in the world would have more than enough to eat; no one would have to die of starvation.
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We have more than enough to eat in the world now. The problem is that some people are not receiving food for various reasons (wars, lack of communication or transportation, economic injustices), not that we don’t have enough food for everyone.
 
It is not necessary for people to watch whatever videos you’re posting from whatever organization is posting them. As someone else said, they are likely to be biased.

The Church already teaches against animal cruelty. You seem to have decided that the prevailing methods of slaughtering animals for commercial meat consumption are animal cruelty and thus we should all stop eating meat. Society in general, which includes a lot of non-Catholics and non-believers who also don’t support animal cruelty, disagrees with you and believes that most of the slaughtering methods used are humane and that the instances of cruelty are relatively rare and can be taken care of through government regulation. You’re not likely to convert anybody to your view by posting videos or continuing this argument that you’re making.
 
Not even close to being accurate. I am assuming the basis of your claim is that a significant portion of our agricultural production goes towards producing feed for animals that are inefficient at converting the feed into meat that is consumed.
But if we quit raising these animals, all of that land would not turn into growing vegetables and such for direct human condition. Instead, the surplus would, on aggregate go out if production as there would be no market for the large amount of produce. The problems which cause hunger, primarily political in nature which prohibit a just distribution, would still exists. But the aggregate good produced would still match the market of consumption.

The only way your statement would be accurate us if the cause of hunger in the world was an overall shortage if agricultural resources relative to the population, which is certainly not the case.
 
Please, just watch them so you know what I am talking about. It’s only 5 min.

How can you come here and just give random assumptions about this and just think you are making a point. Watch it first (it’s short)… then come back and lets talk.
 
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It is necessary because how would you actually understand my point if you don’t even watch it. You are just replying with out any knowledge of the subject.

That is why you said this
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You seem to have decided that the prevailing methods of slaughtering animals for commercial meat consumption are animal cruelty and thus we should all stop eating meat
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First, this is . . . why you should have knowledge of this before posting. You refuse to actually know the argument better and you are trying to contradict it?

Second, no it’s not about “stopping to eat meat”. That is not the point at all… you notice “KOSHER” as the topic right, so what are you talking about?
 
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I meant the 1st one, not the 5th. That was a typo. The 5th is edited with the killing already removed for censoring as it looks.

You don’t need to watch the whole thing. Just start at 1:10 and end anywhere you want after 10 seconds. I have it set at 1:10 already.

 
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Sorry, it’s not a random point. All you have to do is explain in a few sentences what us inhumane about the way animals are slaughtered. It is rude to assume we will spend 5 minutes watching videos as opposed to 15-30 seconds reading your points. If you want people to consider your concerns, you should be willing to state them. Beyond a couple if posts questioning the efficacy of stun bolts, I have not seen any specifics stated.

Furthermore, the first video is 11 minutes and you have stated we must watch the first 5 in order for you to consider our points.

Very bad etiquette imo.
 
For Catholics, this might fall under the heading of prudential judgment. If one knows for sure that the animal has been slaughtered inhumanely, one might refrain from eating it. However, most Catholics–as well as Jews, for that matter–do not know exactly how an animal is slaughtered in a particular slaughterhouse. Thus one’s culpability, if any, is greatly mitigated. Apart from this, the participation in the slaughtering is non-existent and so, by the rule of remote participation or cooperation, one would not be held accountable for commiting a sinful act.
 
There are things that have to be seen through visual mediums to have a better understanding. It’s not rude to give visual mediums to people and asking them to take it so that they can fully understand the context.

Why watch 5 minutes? Just watch what i just uploaded and end after a couple of seconds.

Then come back and lets talk. How can you talk about a topic when you refuse to find out the basis for it?
 
If you desire a discussion about your concerns, please list these concerns and I will consider them. Until then, have a blessed day.
 
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