Should Catholics practice Kosher laws?

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This the first I’ve ever seen someone refuse to fully understand the basis of the discussion and just proceeds to argue about it anyway.

I don’t know how to effectively describe something I find graphic, I’m not a writer. You should have the idea that not everyone can perfectly articulate or describe their stance as accurately in the form of words. That is why visual mediums are used.

Just watch a small piece of the video I linked, other wise you are refusing to look at my arguments.
 
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Sorry, i just don’t like being taken out of context and misrepresented.
 
meltzerboy2 said:
For Catholics, this might fall under the heading of prudential judgment. If one knows for sure that the animal has been slaughtered inhumanely, one might refrain from eating it. However, most Catholics–as well as Jews, for that matter–do not know exactly how an animal is slaughtered in a particular slaughterhouse. Thus one’s culpability, if any, is greatly mitigated. Apart from this, the participation in the slaughtering is non-existent and so, by the rule of remote participation or cooperation, one would not be held accountable for commiting a sinful act.
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You make a fair point…
Today - no one generally knows how food products related to slaughtering actually occurs…

Sanitary conditions re: all food production have greatly increased since 2000 years ago…

Jesus freed Jews from e.g., food strictures of the Mosaic law…

Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.

Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
 
I have not made any comments on the issues at hand because I do not know in any specifics what they are.
This is the first time I have seen anyone say, I don’t like X because of what’s in these videos, but I refuse to say beyond that why I don’t like X.

Again, you are the one being rude and inconsiderate, not me.
 
Well, I watched it, and it is not pretty. Killing and gutting an animal is never pretty, and for someone who has a tender heart for animals, it is going to be upsetting. I get that. This is an emotional issue - I do not make light of it in the least; I have seen other guys turn green at the sight.

Your comment seems to miss the fact that this started when somewhere along the line she came across a video of how animals are butchered; she responded in not an untypical fashion of revulsion and concern that the animals were being mistreated/suffering unnecessarily.

I think she described the problems very adequately from her point of view.
 
delefin said:
Do you think the Church should return this type of laws?
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No. We’ve been freed from the Law in order to focus on the important things. Pretty sure that Scripture indicates that if we try to live by part of the Law, we’d be required to live by the whole Law.
delefin said:
This hints me that God never really liked us eating meat but gave the permission because of our natural needs.
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At least during the Passover there is a very definite instruction to eat meat so I think you’d be hard pressed to prove what you say.

Should we look for the most humane way to kill the animals? Absolutely. In the UK where I live the stunning of the animal is considered to be the least painful way of slaughter… at least as far as I’m aware. There are very tight controls and animal welfare overseers involved.
 
And that is a video which is anti-meat; the purpose is to cause revulsion. If we want to make a comparison to kosher, let’s go back to the Passover; estimates are of some 250,000 sheep being killed in one day (see, eg Brant Pitre, The Case For Jesus). They slit their throats and moved quickly to the next animal, not stunning; just letting them bleed out. Is hanging a pig and strangling it to death a good way? Would slitting its throat be better? There really is no way to instantly kill the animal; the means are not being used in order to be cruel. Stunning the animal might have been getter, but is not always effective as the video shows.

Man has been harvesting animals for food since the time the mind of man remembereth not. And there certainly are groups of people who reject killing animals for food; among them is MFA, which admits that it pushes for vegetarian/vegan conversion. And yes, they have taken on major corporations and won lawsuits; but their desire is found in the previous sentence; reality prevents them from putting animal harvesting out of business. They would if they could.
 
sudy said:
No. We’ve been freed from the Law in order to focus on the important things. Pretty sure that Scripture indicates that if we try to live by part of the Law, we’d be required to live by the whole Law.
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There is nothing in the NT stating that we can butcher animals as violent as possible.
sudy said:
At least during the Passover there is a very definite instruction to eat meat so I think you’d be hard pressed to prove what you say.

Should we look for the most humane way to kill the animals? Absolutely. In the UK where I live the stunning of the animal is considered to be the least painful way of slaughter… at least as far as I’m aware. There are very tight controls and animal welfare overseers involved.
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No one is arguing about banning meat, or having specific meats that are allowed to eat. The topic is in regards to it being a sin to butcher animals very cruelly, even more enabling this to continue by giving our money to these factories.
 
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delefin said:
You are coming here just trying to argue with me and you don’t even show any care to actually understand the actual matter of it. You don’t have to agree, but if you are going to contradict me at the least understand the actual points better and topics like these visual mediums are needed.
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I have not argued with any if your positions with regards to how animals are slaughtered.

I can say this much, based on the clips you just posted, I know for a fact that clip is very in accurate as to how one procedure is commonly performed. So when I know one thing us inaccurate, I can only assume the rest of the clips also are rare and selected only due to a bias.
 
tafan2 said:
I can say this much, based on the clips you just posted, I know for a fact that clip is very in accurate as to how one procedure is commonly performed. So when I know one thing us inaccurate, I can only assume the rest of the clips also are rare and selected only due to a bias.
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Then what have you been arguing with me about, since the way animals are slaughtered is the main topic?

Also how is any of those 5 second gifs inaccurate? Did you see the gifs of pigs and cows being castrated alive, now if you watch that full part in the video i linked, you will see/hear the reaction of these animals. So i’m interested for you to explain how that is inaccurate, especially since you’ve refused to watch even a minute worth… you are just shooting it down with guessing and baseless assumptions… and you are antagonizing me for being “rude”?
 
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So, people won’t watch your videos, so you place them in auto play??

And you think other people are being rude???
 
delefin said:
Then what have you been arguing with me about, since the way animals are slaughtered is the main topic?
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I have been very consistent: please post your specufic concerns about the ways animals are slaughtered, do not make us watch a video as a prelude to a discussion.
 
Yes, I was actually referring to the clip of the bull being castrated. Side note:, cows are not castrated:) and the bulls are if course alive, there would be no point in castrating a dead bull.
I have been involved in castrating probably thousands of bulls in my life. No one does it as shown on the clip. Besides being excessively cruel, it looks to be a horribly dangerous technique, and the animal is way too old. It us just not normal, indeed it is bad husbrandy. I have literally never seen it done that way. I can only guess the other clips are likewise cherry picked for their horrible visual effects.
 
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Yes. I agree that the animals in the video are treated in an inhumane, more than that, in a sadistic manner that does not befit the behavior of human beings.

It has also been widely noted that humans who start out in life being cruel to/ killing animals go on to murdering other humans as adults.

I have been vegetarian for 30 years, vegan for the past five weeks.

I find it hard to imagine that someone who really watches delefin’s video would not think twice about the meat and dairy they are consuming.

Jesus said that even a sparrow that dies is important to God.
 
This is absolutely inappropriate as a post, it has been flagged. Why not jump off the internet and do something to advocate for animal rights. Many of these clips and others around, expose the cruelty going on in various sectors of the industry, and this is being addressed where it can within local and regional and national laws.
 
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Providing evidence is how discussions work, it’s not being rude especially since I was challenged to provide proof.

Now this has been shown, maybe the context of the thread can be answered better. Is this all a sin, and should we as christians have this moral code that we should only consume animals that have not been treated as you have seen in those gifs?
 
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tafan2 said:
Yes, I was actually referring to the clip of the bull being castrated. Side note:, cows are not castrated:) and the bulls are if course alive, there would be no point in castrating a dead bull.
I have been involved in castrating probably thousands of bulls in my life. No one does it as shown on the clip. Besides being excessively cruel, it looks to be a horribly dangerous technique, and the animal is way too old. It us just not normal, indeed it is bad husbrandy. I have literally never seen it done that way. I can only guess the other clips are likewise cherry picked for their horrible visual effects.
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No, that is a cow.
tafan2 said:
please post your specufic concerns about the ways animals are slaughtered, do not make us watch a video as a prelude to a discussion.
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“prelude”? What you are actually telling me to do is to make arguments with out backing it up.
How can you tell me to make an argument about my concerns and not post anything to support it? What kind of discussion is this, assumption wars?
 
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I’ve heard that the conditions cattle is kept in can be inhumane - cramped conditions, bad food, no sunlight - but I was under the impression that the actual slaughtering was relatively benign. The captive bolt pistol can make a cow wholly unconscious in a moment’s notice.
 
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