Should graphic pornography be banned?

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JapaneseKappa said:
That article does not even contain the word “pornography.” Why do you think it is relevant?
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Are you being sincere because I am not sure how you can not understand that these women are used for pornography as well as prostitution? 🤷😛

Also, if you read all the way down the page you would have seen that that one of these women were taken from PAKISTAN!!!

…hence, what I was saying about: just because something is illegal does not mean it does not happen illegally!

I think you are avoiding questions now to be honest otherwise you would have responded properly.
 
JapaneseKappa said:
I don’t think you can make an argument that pornography is somehow fundamentally exploitative (i.e. that people are not fairly compensated) only that a particular pornography market is currently exploitative.
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I am not at all sure you are not being facetious or making jibes now?

Some people don’t want to see the truth. IMHO.

God bless.
 
friardchips said:
I already said that a science article on the subject of sex crimes is going to be void of meaning.
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This is a more strident declaration of willful ignorance than I am used to seeing, even on this forum. If facts don’t matter then I will simply say that pornography should be legal because the Catholic Church condones it and any further posts on this matter are “going to be void of meaning.”
friardchips said:
What are you talking about: 'does not increase the legalization of pornography? This makes no comprehensible sense.
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My statement:
The illegal sex trade would constitute sex crimes, which the evidence shows do not increase with the legalization of pornography.

The meaning is:
Evidence shows that sex crimes do not increase when pornography is legalized
The illegal sex trade is an example of a sex crime
Therefore, the illegal sex trade does not increase when pornography is legalized
friardchips said:
No it is not. It doesn’t take much figuring out to guess that underground porn makes its way into the mainstream online viewing market. And the underground market is not made by legal means it already exists as has been reported in news feeds for a long time now.
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All your responses completely miss the point. Despite having banned porn, you still assert that Pakistan has a terrible cultural attitude towards women. In fact, it is significantly worse than countries which have legal porn. You then conclude that it would be best to ban porn because a porn ban improves cultural attitudes towards women.

I think your conclusion is not supported by your claimed evidence. In fact I think it is the opposite, your claim is contradicted by the evidence. Specifically, the countries with a porn ban have worse cultural attitudes towards women than countries without porn bans.
friardchips said:
If you seriously don’t know through research what the harm is of pornography then nothing anyone can say on this forum that they haven’t already said is going to change your mind.
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The only potential harm I can think of would be sex crimes, but the evidence shows that pornography does not lead to sex crimes. What you appear to be saying is that you can’t simply list the real, measurable harms that you think pornography causes in society. In other words, when you claim that porn “degenerates society” you are just using weasel-words.
A weasel word is an informal term for words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that a specific and/or meaningful statement has been made, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated, enabling the specific meaning to be denied if the statement is challenged.
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JapaneseKappa said:
This is a more strident declaration of willful ignorance than I am used to seeing, even on this forum. If facts don’t matter then I will simply say that pornography should be legal because the Catholic Church condones it and any further posts on this matter are “going to be void of meaning.”
My statement:
The illegal sex trade would constitute sex crimes, which the evidence shows do not increase with the legalization of pornography.

The meaning is:
Evidence shows that sex crimes do not increase when pornography is legalized
The illegal sex trade is an example of a sex crime
Therefore, the illegal sex trade does not increase when pornography is legalized

All your responses completely miss the point. Despite having banned porn, you still assert that Pakistan has a terrible cultural attitude towards women. In fact, it is significantly worse than countries which have legal porn. You then conclude that it would be best to ban porn because a porn ban improves cultural attitudes towards women.

I think your conclusion is not supported by your claimed evidence. In fact I think it is the opposite, your claim is contradicted by the evidence. Specifically, the countries with a porn ban have worse cultural attitudes towards women than countries without porn bans.

The only potential harm I can think of would be sex crimes, but the evidence shows that pornography does not lead to sex crimes. What you appear to be saying is that you can’t simply list the real, measurable harms that you think pornography causes in society. In other words, when you claim that porn “degenerates society” you are just using weasel-words.
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In the nicest possible way in response to your above post: you are not proving anything either. At least I am using ‘reason’.
 
friardchips said:
Are you being sincere because I am not sure how you can not understand that these women are used for pornography as well as prostitution? 🤷😛

Also, if you read all the way down the page you would have seen that that one of these women were taken from PAKISTAN!!!

…hence, what I was saying about: just because something is illegal does not mean it does not happen illegally!

I think you are avoiding questions now to be honest otherwise you would have responded properly.
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You are right absolutely right. Pakistan is a terrible place now that it has banned pornography. It should legalize the sex industry and regulate it instead.
 
friardchips said:
One part-exists within the other: what I have been saying for the last how many times during our seemingly one-way dialogue. :rolleyes:
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So which way is it, is slavery a subset of pornography, or is pornography a subset of slavery?
 
friardchips said:
In the nicest possible way in response to your above post: absolute and complete nonsense. :D:)
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You’re not interested in discussion with the other poster. He has bested you with facts and your response is to utterly dismiss him? 🤷
 
All I see is agenda-posting that is becoming more and more clear as the posts continue between certain posters.
 
friardchips said:
A decent question: I think both. What came first - not sure. It doesn’t matter either way as both are wrong so not sure as to the point of the question?
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From an imprimatur source:
heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/ljusclr158&div=6&id=&page=
There is no danger–no possibility, on our principles–that Catholic theology should ever be tinctured with the fanaticism of abolition. Catholics may and do differ, in regard to slavery, and on other points of human policy, when considered as ethical or political questions.
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So it seems to me that the Catholic Church, at least until Vatican II would have not been willing to back an abolition of slavery, let alone pornography.
 
I believe in the free will that we’ve been given, and I think we as Christians need to do a better job of respecting that every man/woman and child has a right to express their free will - for better or worse. Everyone will be judged by how they use that freedom, but we should never strive to block or ban anything - that doesn’t solve anything.

We should continue to promote the virtues of being a moral person, less so for getting in to heaven, and more so because it’s the right thing to do.

If people want to view graphic (legal) porn, then let them. It’s ultimately up to the person to decide whether they want to watch it.

Christians get a bad name because small fringe groups try to control the what the population does out of moral outrage, which actually hurts their argument and cause more than it helps. A cogent argument about why people should abstain is better than calling for a full out ban.

Just my thoughts…
 
Rediick said:
I believe in the free will that we’ve been given, and I think we as Christians need to do a better job of respecting that every man/woman and child has a right to express their free will - for better or worse. Everyone will be judged by how they use that freedom, but we should never strive to block or ban anything - that doesn’t solve anything.

We should continue to promote the virtues of being a moral person, less so for getting in to heaven, and more so because it’s the right thing to do.

If people want to view graphic (legal) porn, then let them. It’s ultimately up to the person to decide whether they want to watch it.

Christians get a bad name because small fringe groups try to control the what the population does out of moral outrage, which actually hurts their argument and cause more than it helps. A cogent argument about why people should abstain is better than calling for a full out ban.

Just my thoughts…
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I like this a lot. Although I don’t agree with you that banning pornography is not a good idea (due to the obvious exploitation factors) I do think that if the Catholic Church were to do a universal call, a very definite one, for all Christians to stop looking at this stuff, to abstain, and set up help groups for those that struggle, this would be a path forward. A good idea - like the Church did with The New Evangelisation, but for anti-exploitation reasons instead.
 
987mk said:
  1. Child pornography is illegal and banned.
  2. Sexual abuse of children is illegal.
  3. Human trafficking is illegal.
  4. Adults engaging in consensual sexual relations while being filmed has nothing to do with child pornography or human trafficking.
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So how do you know a great many adult film fornicators are not drawn to younger and younger partners by child pornography (which they doubtless have more access to than the general public), and finally become pedophiles to try it on for themselves?

How does all that not harm society? The devil is in the details.
 
friardchips said:
I like this a lot. Although I don’t agree with you that banning pornography is not a good idea (due to the obvious exploitation factors) I do think that if the Catholic Church were to do a universal call, a very definite one, for all Christians to stop looking at this stuff, to abstain, and set up help groups for those that struggle, this would be a path forward. A good idea - like the Church did with The New Evangelisation, but for anti-exploitation reasons instead.
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This is a great idea. Many Jews, Protestant, and Muslims, and who knows, maybe even a few atheists, might be glad to join the cause.

Don’t count on the ACLU, who will fight it with their last breath.
 
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