Should women be treated as equals

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Sarcelle said:
It depends on the field.

If you want to discover something new in the field of subatomic physics it helps to have a particle accelerator.

I don’t think you can find it in a garage.

On the flip side, amateur astronomers have contributed to the field of astronomy.
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Respectfully search out easy in finding great innovations that were made in garages that changed the world…very interesting…Alexander Graham Bells, Google, all sorts of high tech products…Silcon Valley many new products made developed in garages…interesting…google Airplane was not made at an airport, but a garage, barn…Peace
 
Very good post. I study the history of inventions. A Nobel Prize winner told those in attendance that “I have stood on the shoulders of giants” to get where he was. That means houses, barns and garages.
 
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I was not disagreeing with you about garage inventions. Never in my post did I say that garage inventions were impossible.

It puzzles me why you assume I am ignorant of innovations done in garages.

As I said before, it depends on the field and what type. There are some fields that do demand and require a lot of resources. Case in point, particle physics.

Truth is, inventions can take place anywhere, in both garages, universities or in wealthy corporations.

Where there are knowledgeable and motivated people, there will be innovation.
 
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A couple of basic issues with the thread.
The extreme doesn’t prove the mean. And posing the extreme as a basis for discussing the mean only leads to prejudice and stereotypes.
For example: "Stalin murdered millions of people, therefore atheists are all basically mass murderers. Let’s discuss the problem of atheist mass murder. "

The other problem is the blurring of the concepts
equal
unique
diverse
same

These are not all the same thing (pun intended)
And the inability to make these kinds of distinctions is a plague on our world currently.
All human beings are equal in the eyes of God (well…almost all…ironically for the “women’s movement” the most defenseless currently are not) and at the same time women are unique in comparison to men.

Women and men are differentiated, while being equal in human dignity.
 
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Even if a woman is a stay-at-home mom, it is important for her to be educated, since parents (especially a mother) are the primary educators of their children–and you can’t hand on what you don’t have.

As has been mentioned, while their vocations are not necessarily the same, both men and women bear the imago dei and therefore have a fundamental equality. This is also of course true of men and women whose dignity has been elevated by baptism.

With regard to careers for women, the Church supports it, with the caveat that for mothers it should not detract from that crucial responsibility:

Vatican II, Gaudium et Spes:
The children, especially the younger among them, need the care of their mother at home. This domestic role of hers must be safely preserved, though the legitimate social progress of women should not be underrated on that account.
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St. John Paul II, Laborem Exercens:
Experience confirms that there must be a social re-evaluation of the mother’s role, of the toil connected with it, and of the need that children have for care, love and affection in order that they may develop into responsible, morally and religiously mature and psychologically stable persons. It will redound to the credit of society to make it possible for a mother-without inhibiting her freedom, without psychological or practical discrimination, and without penalizing her as compared with other women-to devote herself to taking care of her children and educating them in accordance with their needs, which vary with age. Having to abandon these tasks in order to take up paid work outside the home is wrong from the point of view of the good of society and of the family when it contradicts or hinders these primary goals of the mission of a mother26.
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The true advancement of women requires that labour should be structured in such a way that women do not have to pay for their advancement by abandoning what is specific to them and at the expense of the family, in which women as mothers have an irreplaceable role.
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What’s worse than a male chauvinist pig? A woman who won’t do what she’s told . . .
 
Genesis315 said:
Even if a woman is a stay-at-home mom, it is important for her to be educated, since parents (especially a mother) are the primary educators of their children–and you can’t hand on what you don’t have.

As has been mentioned, while their vocations are not necessarily the same, both men and women bear the imago dei and therefore have a fundamental equality. This is also of course true of men and women whose dignity has been elevated by baptism.

With regard to careers for women, the Church supports it, with the caveat that for mothers it should not detract from that crucial responsibility:

Vatican II, Gaudium et Spes:
The children, especially the younger among them, need the care of their mother at home. This domestic role of hers must be safely preserved, though the legitimate social progress of women should not be underrated on that account.
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So you would be against the man staying at home and the woman working? I can imagine a situation where the man’s potential wage is drastically less than his wife’s. It would make sense then if the ‘traditional’ roles were reversed.
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The show should have been titled “Revenge of the Liberated Women” or “We Can Act Just Like Male Chauvenist Pigs.”
 
Bradskii said:
Someone recently railed against equality for women. Even to the extent that a university education is not something to be encouraged (hi @edgar).

Are there negatives in a woman earning a degree?
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The post that is being addressed:
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The Church rightly condemns contraception, yet 99% of clergy and religious enthusiastically support women getting one of the most devastating contraceptives ever invented – a university degree.

Feminism is pure cultural Marxism - another “wolf in sheep’s clothing” masquerading as “equality” (when Our Lady of Fatima warned that the “errors of Russia” will “annihilate various nations”, I wonder if she was referring to Feminism the Destroyer of Families, which is really an offspring of communism).
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Fake news?

Given the context in which it was written, I interpreted the statement as a hyperbolic attempt to address the use of universities to indoctinate, rather than educate. This might be clearest, I suppose, in political science, but also occurs even in the teaching of basic science, where it is far more subtle.

One could say that it is the other way around, that the breakdown of the family, a reorganization of society becoming more secularized, basically the divorcing of sexuality from procreation, seeing children as possessions, or as a means of self-fulfillment, is the issue. Universities merely perpetuate the seduction of the human spirit towards transient and lesser goods than is love itself.
 
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The Church appears to teach that there is a special part of a mother’s nature that is good for kids, especially the younger ones. Unfortunately, our society and economic system often make that desired situation difficult and families must seek alternate solutions–the Church considers this a societal abuse or systemic problem, not a personal fault of those parents. If a mother having to work outside the home is ultimately a better fulfillment of her and her husband’s duties to their children given their circumstances, then they have to do what they have to do–we all have to do our best in this fallen world.

On the other hand, I think there can be selfish motivations too that do not put the children first (not accusing anyone here of that). We all need to examine and follow our consciences.
 
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