So what should a Catholic reaction to the Alabama abortion ban be?

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I’ll be honest, I think that the only Catholics who are opposed to the Alabama abortion law are the ones who just don’t have the stomach to argue against the “progressive” types who insist that abortion is a “right” and that any laws against it are “anti-woman.” So they try to look for loopholes and exceptions to avoid arguing against these misguided people.
 
I don’t think a single rational person can claim that Obamacare has been good for the health care industry
My guess is you either: (a) have no pre-existing conditions; (b) have no kids (or relatives or good friends) who have pre-existing conditions; or (c ) are someone who says, “I hate everything about Obamacare except for how it requires insurance companies to accept pre-existing conditions. We should throw out everything but that.”

If you are a or b: congratulations, you must be young and take good care of yourself. Trust me though, it’s only a matter of time my friend.

If you are c: insuring pre-existing conditions is expensive. Because…well…you’re insuring sick people.

If you figure out how to legislate covering pre-existing conditions and doing it without raising rates and/or deductibles, lemme know - cause my guess is you’ve figured out cold fusion as well…
 
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I oppose abortion as per Catholic teaching. I think Roe v Wade is bad law, poorly decided (like Dredd Scott and Citizens United ) and should be overturned.
Citizens United at least makes a lot of sense. If the First Amendment did not apply to Corporations, then no news corporation could really have any claim to having Freedom of the Press. That too is a First Amendment protection.

Because there is a huge body of settled law, that yes, the First Amendment applies to for-profit companies like the New York Times, etc… I don’t see how the court could have (or should have) ruled otherwise.
 
e someone who says, “I hate everything about Obamacare except for how it requires insurance companies to accept pre-existing conditions. We should throw out everything but that.”
I lean towards C, but also understand the exclusions from a business perspective.

What I really am is a person who says we need to figure out what’s constantly driving up the cost of healthcare, and address it.
 
So the benchmark here is the extent to which it harms people, the gravity of the harm.

Killing people is worse than torturing them. Therefore abortion is graver than child pornography. So if it is desirable to ban child pornography, it should definitely be OK to ban murder.
Yes, the benchmark of “harm caused to another” is arguably the most considerable factor.

However, the common good and prudence are additional, relevant factors. These two explain why Augustine and Aquinas supported the legality of prostitution, even though it means allowing people to indulge their vices and causing harm to the parties involved. They allow it for the sake of the “common good”, which they think would be compromised if prostitution were prohibited by force of law.

“Accordingly in human government also, those who are in authority, rightly tolerate certain evils, lest certain goods be lost, or certain greater evils be incurred: thus Augustine says (De Ordine ii, 4): “If you do away with harlots, the world will be convulsed with lust.” Hence, though unbelievers sin in their rites, they may be tolerated, either on account of some good that ensues therefrom, or because of some evil avoided.”

ST, II-II, Q.10, Art. 11, co.

(Addressing the question “Whether the Rites of Unbelievers Ought to be Tolerated?”)

Essentially, the Augustinian/Thomistic view of prostitution is that is that it serves as an outlet for lust and therefore keeps in under “containment”. If prostitution is altogether eliminated, a disorder of lust will ensue that will lead to greater evils as fulfilment of lustful desires will be sought by other means.

Whether or not they were correct in this assessment, I want to consider the ways in which this line of reasoning relates to abortion.

“Harm” is said in many ways.

Abortion meets the criteria of “causing harm” in the aspect of killing and bodily injury, regardless of the presence or absence of embryonic/fetal pain.

The harm in permitting abortion that prolifers are concerned about, is principally the harm done to the unborn child, secondarily to the mother (whether physical, e.g. impaired fertility, or psychological).

What is the harm in outlawing abortion? Well, the prochoicers are principally concerned with harm to the mother in the form of psychological burden and unwanted health risks associated with the pregnancy. Secondarily, to the child who, they believe, upon birth would not be received well by the mother and who, they think, risks being subjected to a bad maternal environment.

They also think it imposes an obligation on society to “pick up the slack” wherever the biological mother fails.

They think that aborting an unborn child who has a very limited experience of life is preferable to allowing harm done to a born child who is more “aware”.

How does the prolifer respond? Typically with “the end doesn’t justify the means.” But we need to make a compelling case for why. There are people who will flat out reject the notion that there are no cases in which ends justifies the means.
 
I’m pro-life and accept Catholic teaching on abortion.

In addition, I think abortion is inherently evil under any circumstances. (Of course, this says nothing about personal culpability. And this doesn’t mean abortion can’t be a difficult and complicated decision for some people. That an act is evil doesn’t mean it’s always easy to avoid.)

All that said, I almost have a hard time being excited about the new Alabama bill, because I’m seeing so much criticism about it. I don’t know how to sort through the good and the bad. Abortion is an evil, yes. But there will always be women who want abortion. How do we limit abortion? Is the best solution simply to ban all abortion all at once?

Is there a better Catholic response to this law?

I don’t want to sound like I don’t know what I’m talking about — like on social media and so on. For example, I keep seeing things about rape and so on. But are most abortions even due to rape? Maybe there should be a rape exception. I don’t know.
just a few thoughts

Dt 30: 19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live,

Fast forward to the NT

Who is a better teacher on life than Jesus? NO ONE!. In spite of those called His “disciples”, who saw His miracles, (even raising the dead) Did Jesus win over every body He taught? Nope! What did He do with those who disagreed with Him, to His face, and even walked away from Him?

Did He get mad? No. Did He argue with them? No. Did He go after them? No… HE let them go.. 😲

That Story HERE

And that story of choosing life and blessings vs death and curses plays itself over and over again throughout history. And there are People who choose death and curses over life and blessings to their own destruction.
 
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Although Aquinas and Augustine are personal heroes, I strongly disagree with them on this point. If prostitution was legalized, it would result in an increased rate of rape and murder, and would flatly ignore spousal rights.
 
Outside of football, I would not rate much that Alabama does as being done well.
 
Well given our oft-cited obesity statistics, it’s safe to say we aren’t too bad at food either.
 
Thanks for all the replies so far.

Again for me, this whole thing strikes me on social media.

What I see is emotional appeal, yes. But also, there is a bunch of sharing going around dealing with specific incidents and specific women who had their own experiences. And when this happens, it’s almost hard to respond in a meaningful way.

Because you end up acting like you know better than that woman. Or that you’re only being black and white. Etc. Who am I to say that I know what that individual woman was going through, etc.
 
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This is so dumb and frustrating. So abortion doesn’t involve controlling ANOTHER human life’s body? The logic to this is terrible…

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This is so dumb and frustrating. So abortion doesn’t involve controlling ANOTHER human life’s body? The logic to this is terrible…

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I’ll say this has certainly energized Democrats and anyone else on the other side of this issue just as much as the despicable laws in NY and other places legalizing abortion on demand at any time has for pro lifers.
 
But for a Democratic leader, this a neophyte’s argument for right to abortion.

It easily suggests two questions:

(1) Is the aborted human life not a separate body — but merely part of the woman’s body?

(2) Are human lives not equated to “people” – and if not, then what counts as “people” and who decides?

I’m pro-life and yet could make a much better pro-choice case than that tweet above. Ridiculous.
 
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The state of humanity has not improved one iota, since Jesus walked the earth. It’s worse and will continue to degenerate, until people wish for death
Really? So ℭhrist has not improved humanity one bit since His birth, death, resurrection, and ascension?
 
That’s very vague. Control their own bodies? How when self-cortrol is rejected? Men should control their own bodies by not engaging in sex without marriage. Women should do the same.
 
Well, in another sense it’s not vague. He’s implying that abortion is a right because women should be able to control what happens to their bodies.

But that’s ridiculous, since it turns a blind eye to the fact that an abortion has to do with TWO bodies – entering one body, sure, but destroying another body.

And since that body is a human life, why is that human life not able to be counted among the “people” Cory Booker cites? Who decides who is a person? How can you give a consistent answer if a human person does not equate to a human life?
 
These sorts of ‘implying’ statements obscure what abortion is. You can show people an ultrasound in Times Square and hope they realize they are seeing a human being.
 
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