So what should a Catholic reaction to the Alabama abortion ban be?

[Sbee0]

Cirdan_XII:

I’m not sure what that means. Is there a league of superiority among the states? Should those at the supposed lower end of the league not be allowed to take leadership actions?

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/alabama

Just so you know where Alabama’s rates in the US.

The problem with the new Alabama law is that it is hoped to eventually wind up in the Supreme Court. The problem is, both lower courts would have to come to opposing decisions on the legality of it. If both lower courts declare it unconstitutional, then there is nothing for the Supreme Court to decide. The law, as written, IS unconstitutional so it is just a hopeless gesture that will die in the courts and most likely set back the efforts for years.

It was not a smart law and will fail at its aims. The Alabama legislature claiming the religious bias that motivated it won’t help the case either. There were several dumb moves made here. However, the predominately GOP Alabama legislature can claim a victory to their base which is what I think it was aiming for more than anything else.

I think the disagreements would have to be from different circuit courts. In this case I think it will be appealed to SCOTUS but whether they hear the appeal remains to be seen. The real target right now IMO is Casey not Roe.

 

[edwest211]

Don’t worry. Continue to be pro-life and promote life. Abortion is a barbaric practice. It is a regression, it is not progressive.

 

[edwest211]

This is about human life. Not politics. It is about the will of the people.

 

[Padres1969]

Which is incredibly regressive when you think about it. Most other western nations haven’t resorted to that particular tit for tat and have expanded protection for maternity despite having abortion. And they’ve also accepted the reality that for profit private sector will not protect workers lest forced to by the government as its almost never cost effective for them to do so absent incentive from government.

 

[AlmaRedemptorisMater]

I would never use the will of the people to dictate morality.

 

[Pattylt]

I agree because Casey was built on Roe. It’s all baby steps to getting to the SC but there are so many places it can falter. If it does reach the SC and fails (and there are no guarantees) then it’s over for good. That’s a huge risk.

 

[edwest211]

The will of the people has been manipulated to legalize immorality.

 

[Pattylt]

Really, Ed? No politics are involved? Right now the will of the people is abortions with some limitations…not a ban nor unrestricted. So, you want to just wait until the will of the people changes? It may never happen!

I’d rather take political baby steps.

 

[edwest211]

Reality will overturn the law. The politicians will fold on this.

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[Pattylt]

You just keep on keeping the faith, Ed.

 

[Sbee0]

I agree because Casey was built on Roe. It’s all baby steps to getting to the SC but there are so many places it can falter. If it does reach the SC and fails (and there are no guarantees) then it’s over for good. That’s a huge risk.

It’s not just Alabama, other states are going to have their statutes challenged too. It will be interesting to see how SCOTUS handles it.

 

[Pattylt]

Only one will ever be taken by the SC, right? Let’s hope it’s the one with the best chance…which isn’t Alabama IMHO.

 

[edwest211]

Reality will stop being ignored. That is the truth.

 

[EZweber]

Your post lacked information. Prostitution was legalized. That experiment failed.

My point was that it logically follows that legalization of prostitution will increase the rate of rape.

 

[edwest211]

I understand the appeal to logic. Where are the facts to back this claim?

 

[Sbee0]

Only one will ever be taken by the SC, right? Let’s hope it’s the one with the best chance…which isn’t Alabama IMHO.

I think you’re right. And yeah this will definitely have to be done in small steps to be successful.

 

[Pattylt]

I realize this is off topic but I’d like to hear the rationalization for that…I’ve never considered prostitution and rape as related. Wouldn’t legalized prostitution give a legal sexual outlet for some of those that rape? I really have never considered any of this!

 

[EZweber]

I understand the appeal to logic. Where are the facts to back this claim?

I don’t have any historical facts to back it, (although I’m sure they are out there) but if it had never been tried, the appeal to logic would be enough. If I knew the history, it would make my argument stronger.

 

[EZweber]

I realize this is off topic but I’d like to hear the rationalization for that…I’ve never considered prostitution and rape as related. Wouldn’t legalized prostitution give a legal sexual outlet for some of those that rape? I really have never considered any of this!

If you’re not convinced by this, you can start a new thread and I’ll be happy to give my $.02, but prostitution dehumanizes people and makes rape and murder much easier. Now that I search my memory, I can remember a case of a serial killer and rapist who said that his addiction to pornography helped to dehumanize his victims. Prostitution would have similar but more severe effects, considering the fact that it is one step farther than pornography.

 

[Pattylt]

No need to go further…I see the thought train. Obviously I’ve never thought much about prostitution!