So what should a Catholic reaction to the Alabama abortion ban be?

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No, abortion is not abstract. And I believe this ban does make one exception, namely when the life of the mother is in jeopardy. But no exceptions for either rape or incest. In my religion, some rabbis do make exceptions for the psychological health of the woman, such as in cases of rape and incest, while others do not. I know religions do differ in regard to abortion. However, your question asks about what the appropriate Catholic reaction should be. That, I think, should be one of support even though the ways to prevent abortion can be strengthened even further than simply banning it. What it takes is informing women that there are other options available to them, such as adoption. Further, effecting changes in the cycle of poverty so that fewer women find themselves in the position of choosing abortion in the first place. Not every woman will be reached by such measures, and implementing them is a herculean task in itself, but they should at least accompany legislation outlawing abortion.
 
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Padres1969 said:
Disagree. If people would stay out of each other’s business to the extent it doesn’t impact them the world would would be a better place.
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So you’re saying we should have ignored the Holocaust? It didn’t affect us personally.
 
I’m saying if people had left Jews alone in the first place there never would have been a Holocaust (or any other atrocities toward Jews for that matter).
 
Maybe. But had you removed your daughter from the womb at 7 weeks she would have been dead almost instantly. She wasn’t independent alive.
 
@padres1969 Well if personhood starts at birth and I sat her outside on the porch for a few hours she would have been dead too. So she isn’t independent alive then either.
 
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I understand that. But I’m going to come down pretty heavily on the people who are creating and sharing memes like this.

I honestly share your reticence. Pro-lifers aren’t going to get very far with this strategy and will be better off reducing the demand for abortion rather than the supply.
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If people are only allowed (name removed by moderator)ut on what they personally will be impacted on, the world would be in a worse state than it is.
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Agreed. It’s not always a bad thing. Women couldn’t have earned the right to vote without men voting it in.
 
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Those evils should be outlawed which are binding not just on Catholics but on all humans.
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This would include things like contraception and prostitution, since the moral prohibition of these apply to everyone and not just Catholics. Yet, Augustine and Aquinas regarded prostitution as an evil that should be legally tolerated.

So, if they were wrong, then they were either wrong in principle (that not all vices should be outlawed), or they were wrong in application
(prostitution should be legal).

But, if they were correct, then that means that of the moral prohibitions that apply to all humans, not all should be enforced by law.
 
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Own your support 100%.

If you really believe that abortion kills a baby (at any stage) then the woman who has the abortion has killed her child. She should go to prison along with the doctor. If a woman is pregnant and obtains the morning after pill, then the pharmacist should go to prison with the woman.

You cannot have it both ways.

PS : Woman with money can obtain abortions any time they want. Their doctors call them “D&C’s”. They don’t go to prison.
 
For starters, Just because someone showed me a picture such as that would not be proof that the victim in the picture had been raped.

The second issue is that if a child is conceived, the child is as innocent, if not more so, than the rape victim (and no, I am not assessing any blame for the rape; 12 year olds are eminently capable of sinning on other matters). So the picture is not set up for an intelligent, non-emotional discussion; it is set up to create an emotional response sufficient to preclude rational discussion.

Abortion of a child, whether due to rape or other circumstances, statistically increases the chance of a number of medical issues later in life and runs the risk of the potential that she may have medical damage sufficent during the abortionthat she will not be able to conceive later.

There also is the issue of the child later learning, perhaps, that her child had been aborted (as the likelihood is low that the child will even be told that is what she will be having) with the very real possibility of deep emotional grief (ask women who have been through Rachel’s Vineyard) and/or conflict with her parents/guardian(s).

Some rape victims react strongly and see the abortion as somehow “unmaking” the issue in part. I don’t know if there have been any studies of their reactions later - and given human nature, I suspect they would be scattered all over. Sadly, no one ever asks the aborted child what they think of the issue.
 
So what should a Catholic reaction to the Alabama abortion ban be?

PRAISE THE LORD!!!

Is there an emoji with dancing smilies?! 😂

Pray for us, Mother Mary! Ask your Son to please send His angels to protect the unborn and their mothers, and ask the Holy Spirit to move in the hearts of those who believe that abortion is the solution to an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy, and convict them of their wrong thinking, and guide them to a good person who can help them to choose to love and life, not death.
 
Well, actually yes, you can have it both ways.

Women end up being coerced and manipulated into having an abortion. Assuming that the woman is calmly, clearly and unemotionally proceeding with an abortion is assuming that the small minority of women who do so represent the majority, or all. Factually that is simply not true.
 
Your response makes no sense. Most women are not coerced and manipulated into having an abortion. Factually that statement is simply not true.
 
A couple things to consider here.

First, and most obvious, is to remember that God is the sole Author of life.

Secondly, the Didache has an interesting line: " The workings that befall you receive as good, knowing that apart from God nothing comes to pass." I don’t think anyone of faith will disagree.

Being lukewarm pro-life, instead of 100% pro-life, is a fundamental lack of faith in God. Rape is unfathomably evil, deserving of the worst of punishments, yet if God authors a soul to enter our realm through this means, who are we to deny His will? Punish the rapist, not the unborn. If the birth of the child threatens the mother’s life, do you put the dilemma in God’s hands, or your own?

When it comes down to it, I can’t see any argument in favor of abortion in any circumstance that does not put man in place of God.
 
The few Planned Parenthood clinics I see in my area are adjacent to low income, predominantly Black neighborhoods.
 
Actually she could survive for days if you left her on the porch after full term birth.
 
Sure she could. But during that time, could she get her own milk and feed herself? Regulate her temperature? Fend off anything or anyone dangerous that came up? Well, no. Because she’s dependent. And yes, a baby at 7 weeks gestation is dependent too.

The human-ness is the same whether the child has passed through the birth canal (or been delivered through c-section), or not. The birth canal isn’t some magical tunnel that designates that any creature that exits it is thereby human. That makes no sense, and neither does the dependency argument unless you’re cool with murdering newborns, elderly, and disabled people who rely on the intervention and help of others to stay alive.

And then what, that absurd argument about the baby being a parasite? Please.
 
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