'Sola Caritas' Trumps 'Sola fide'

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It is your blanket statements about Catholics…just address the IF’s Johan. ‘Know’ is ‘confidence’, like ‘I have confidence that I will pass this test.’

Think about ‘When something REMAINS in you
Haven’t I done so already? What do you expect me to do? To explicate every “if” in the epistle called 1 John? Salvation is not about us “passing a test.” Salvation is about Christ saving us from divine wrath against sin and thereby escape condemnation.
Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. (Rom. 8:33–34)
That is the Gospel.
 
Once restored to the state of justice that man lost at the Fall, salvation is worked out as we, by our choices, how we live, move nearer or farther from God.
“Move nearer or farther from God”? What kind of theology is this? Just to provoke you, I am inclined to say that the more spiritual mistakes we make, the closer our Savior is to us. Christ is living in every believer. How can He be nearer or farther away from us?

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. (Gal. 2:20)
 
Haven’t I done so already? What do you expect me to do? To explicate every “if” in the epistle called 1 John? Salvation is not about us “passing a test.” Salvation is about Christ saving us from divine wrath against sin and thereby escape condemnation.
I like this. I learned early on to take on, address the “ifs”, the commands, the tests, the attainment of perfection, by going right back to Calvary, where it all began, by totally leaning on Him, by abiding in Him, for any further justification (sanctification).

Much like the old schoolmaster (the Law) did in OT.

So indeed bring it on. Exhort to love and do and be Christlike but not as “Judaizers”. Thank God for His justification and sanctification and new birth.
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I like this. I learned early on to address the “ifs”, the commands, the tests, the attainment of perfection, by going right back to Calvary, where it all began, by totally leaning on Him, by abiding in Him, for any further justification (sanctification).
Well stated. We know that we are safe in the arms of our Savior.
 
Christ is living in every believer. How can He be nearer or farther away from us?
Yes, Christ lives in every believer but every believer does not listen to Christ in them. It is a spiritual moving away or nearer to God.

As the hymn says: Nearer my God to thee, even though it be a cross that raises me.
 
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Yes, Christ lives in every believer but every believer does not listen to Christ in them.
I think they do.
The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. (John 10:3)
It is impossible to be one of His sheep and not believe in Him. And His sheep listen to His voice. So those who believe in Him listen to Him.
 
It is impossible to be one of His sheep and not believe in Him. And His sheep listen to His voice. So those who believe in Him listen to Him.
If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray?
 
1 John 5:13 is clear enough:
Yes Johan it is, especially since John was/is a Catholic.
clear enough… believe [ongoing]; know [confidence]; things I have written [several IF’s, including IF what you heard from the beginning REMAINS in you
 
Yes Johan it is, especially since John was/is a Catholic.
Was he now? :roll_eyes: I wonder if he knew that himself.
clear enough… believe [ ongoing ]; know [ confidence ]; things I have written [ several IF’s , including IF what you heard from the beginning REMAINS in you
Of course it remains. Christ will not lose anyone given to Him by His Father (John 6:39). Those who do not remain never belonged to Him.

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. (1 John 2:19)
 
Was he now [Catholic]? :roll_eyes: I wonder if he knew that himself.
Yes, Johan --John was from the universal church [the only church at that time - Catholic]
Of course it remains. Christ will not lose anyone given to Him by His Father (John 6:39). Those who do not remain never belonged to Him.
Not ‘of course’ since it includes an IF
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us ; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. (1 John 2:19)
Ah, my signature on the other site … That would be Arianism, Docetism, Gnosticism, etc. [including protesters from the 16th century]
 
, my signature on the other site … That would be Arianism, Docetism, Gnosticism, etc. [including protesters from the 16th century]
Not a bad signature, batting .750. You should be in the majors. Lol
 
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Not sure. I mean for sure disobeying, doubting, is not out of love. Peter loved the Lord, had a righteous relationship with Jesus, believed Him, but, like Adam, sinned, fell.
Yes, and that only means that Peter wasn’t yet perfected. One way to define this perfection is to say we must love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength. A tall order, but not at all impossible with God.
Perhaps. I would just like to see it played in Catholic teaching, beyond the muddled and vague teaching of Purgatory. You underplay it perhaps but have not read any Catholic teaching on the differeing judgements. It is more than a reward thing. It is undertsanding the books and judgements found at least in Revelation and others.
The rewards thing isn’t a big topic in Scripture and I think Catholics focus more on the Big Prize, God, Himself, over any others. As far as the afterlife, little is known about any of it: heaven, hell, or purgatory. Either way, strides must be made in our actually living righteously and confirming that righteousness, as judged by God, or our justification and all it entails is meaningless.

By and large all the ancient churches in the east and the west affirm some kind of final purification. We can’t even “see” God until our hearts are truly pure; we aren’t capable; we don’t particularly want to see Him because our distance from Him consists in being distracted by other, lesser things- ourselves to begin with- that we idolize above Him first of all. This state of purification is merciful, and acknowledges that a person has invested their talents and grown in justice and certainly not returned to some grave sin after having tasted of the heavenly gift. But…no sinners enter heaven; some of the NT letters are quite clear on this as is Revelation, not speaking of rewards other than eternal life here:

“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Blessed are those who wash their robe so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by its gates. But outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices.


Faith has a goal-of producing virtue in us for one thing.
 
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If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray , does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go in search of the one that went astray?
In context, that is not a reference to believers in Christ, but to the lost sheep of Israel, i.e. those who had not yet repented and started to follow Him.
 
Was he now? … I wonder if he knew that himself.
One of St. John’s disciples, St. Polycarp, said, “Give ye heed to the bishop that God may give heed to you.” Since he was St. John’s disciple, he apparently learned about the bishops from St. John.
St. Polycarp was also the bishop in Smyrna and possibly who St. John was referring to in the Apocalypse of John 2:11 as the “angel of the church in Smyrna”, so yes, St. John definitely knew he was Catholic.

and St. Polycarp said

"And let the presbyters be compassionate and merciful to all bringing back those that wander, visiting all the sick, and not neglecting the widow, the orphan, or the poor
 
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Yes, but not the church that you now identify as the Catholic church.
Irenaeus

The Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said ( Against Heresies 1:10 [ A.D. 189 ]).

…and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world… ( The Martyrdom of Polycarp 8 [ A.D. 110 ]).

wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church ( Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [ ** Ignatius of Antioch A.D. 110** ]).

yet the Church does not depart from Christ ; and they are the Church who are a people united to the priest, and the flock which adheres to its pastor . [Cyprian]
 
context, that is not a reference to believers in Christ, but to the lost sheep of Israel, i.e. those who had not yet repented and started to follow Him.
It is a reference to the mercy and love of God to all sinners, which we all are.
 
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Irenaeus

The Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world , as we have already said ( Against Heresies 1:10 [ A.D. 189 ]).

…and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world… ( The Martyrdom of Polycarp 8 [ A.D. 110 ]).

wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church ( Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [ ** Ignatius of Antioch A.D. 110** ]).
Then are you advocating ORAR (once right always right) ? I mean these guys assessed the church 1800 or more years ago…so all those “if’s”, conditions you bring up , do not apply to these Christians in office…they will be perfect in teaching, not one iota mistep, in over 1800 years? and even though one church in Revelation already had bad doctrine?
 
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