Sola Scriptura questions

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Nicea325 said:
Like all good Protestants,you take the above verses so out-of-context it is a dead issue.
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You seem to think that this verse says something other than “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” Here’s the whole chapter

2 Timothy 3
1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their’s also was.

10But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

11Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

If you would be so kind as to point out just what it is you think this v. is saying in context.
Perhaps we can put some life back into the issue.
The above was NOT written to prove or advocate Sola Scriptura.
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Does a pretty good job though.
By the way, the first word reads: ALL…not "ONLY Scripture…
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Big difference.
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The only thing that I am concerned with on this thread is the bible. What other body of work do you consider inspired?
 
Richard_Kastner said:
Wait a minute, It may not be all sufficient for whatever reason to tell you what is inspired or not, I don’t understand your reasoning because it clearly says it is and you seem to agree that it is, but it is all sufficient for me.

If you have faith that the bible is inspired “God breathed” and it tells me of the only way to get to heaven. That being that we have faith in Jesus. Why do you need this extra biblical proclamation?
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Richard, you still haven’t let us know *how you know what’s inspired and what’s not. * 🤷

Clearly you don’t believe that the Bible just fell out of the sky with inspired books all neatly bound.

So, without begging the question, please tell us how you know that the Gospel of Mark is inspired.
 
PRmerger said:
Richard, you still haven’t let us know *how you know what’s inspired and what’s not. * 🤷

Clearly you don’t believe that the Bible just fell out of the sky with inspired books all neatly bound.

So, without begging the question, please tell us how you know that the Gospel of Mark is inspired.
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In the last three pages of this thread you have come back and asked this question no less than 10 times. Since you seem intent upon derailing this thread until you get the answer you want, lets go hypothetical. Let’s say that the CC compiled the bible and says that it is God breathed, I’m assumning you are saying that the CC says the bible is inspired. If we have this all in place, then do you consider the bible all sufficient?
 
Richard_Kastner said:
In the last three pages of this thread you have come back and asked this question no less than 10 times. Since you seem intent upon derailing this thread until you get the answer you want, lets go hypothetical. Let’s say that the CC compiled the bible and says that it is God breathed, I’m assumning you are saying that the CC says the bible is inspired. If we have this all in place, then do you consider the bible all sufficient?
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The bible is clearly insufficient.

Bible believing Christians haver reached dramatically different conclusions about central matters of the faith that are directly related to salvation.

Jesus gave us an infallible interpreter so that we could be united in the Truth.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
The bible is clearly insufficient.

Bible believing Christians haver reached dramatically different conclusions about central matters of the faith that are directly related to salvation.

Jesus gave us an infallible interpreter so that we could be united in the Truth.
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People disagreeing about what the Bible teaches no more invalidates truth than people disagreeing about tradition and scripture.
And I just read the Orthodox thread on the papacy so clearly people disagree on that.
This line of reasoning taken to its logical end point suggests that people disagreeing would also invalidate Christianity; in fact atheists often argue that point.
 
Rightlydivide said:
People disagreeing about what the Bible teaches no more invalidates truth than people disagreeing about tradition and scripture.
And I just read the Orthodox thread on the papacy so clearly people disagree on that.
This line of reasoning taken to its logical end point suggests that people disagreeing would also invalidate Christianity; in fact atheists often argue that point.
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Jesus is the Truth. Jesus promised the leaders of the Church that they would be led into ALL TRUTH!

Don’t settle for less.
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
Jesus is the Truth. Jesus promised the leaders of the Church that they would be led into ALL TRUTH!

Don’t settle for less.
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I do not believe I have settled for less. I understand you view that my faith is less however I disagree. Have a good day.
 
Rightlydivide said:
I do not believe I have settled for less. I understand you view that my faith is less however I disagree. Have a good day.
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If you believe that you have been led into ALL truth, then I understand that you are claiming that everyone who disagrees with you is in error.

Is this an accurate assessment?
 
Richard_Kastner said:
The bible says
Jn14
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What is it other than this that you think that we need?
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That is also what the Church teaches. Why aren’t you Catholic?
 
CHESTERTONRULES said:
That is also what the Church teaches. Why aren’t you Catholic?
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You’re evading the question. You said

Originally Posted by CHESTERTONRULES
The bible is clearly insufficient.

The bible says
Jn14
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What is insufficient about this staement?
 
Richard_Kastner said:
You’re evading the question. You said

Originally Posted by CHESTERTONRULES
The bible is clearly insufficient.

The bible says
Jn14
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What is insufficient about this staement?
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Nothing is insufficient about Jn 14:6, but it no way does it support or prove the Bible-Alone. Jesus was not refering to the Bible-Alone. We place your faith and trust in God,not a book called the Bible. Just like Protestants claim Catholics worship Mary and saints, I sometimes view many Protestants on the verge of worshiping the Bible and not God.

Chrisitanity is NOT a book-alone faith nor did it come from the Bible,but moreover, it is a relgion and faith of the person: Jesus Christ.
 
Richard_Kastner said:
Jesus left us His church to preach the Gospel. Not to settle disputes.
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Indeed He did! Why can’t it be both ?
This is a prayer that we have faith in Him. It says nothing about any arbitrating power. God says He will make us to be a nation of priests.
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Jesus in His humanity is doing the praying He after all is the mediator between God and Man !
1Peter2
5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
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Absolutely 👍 and done everyday all around the world at Holy Mass by the CC ! Malachi 1: 11 “BUT”

2Peter 20, First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,
What is this authority that Paul is talking about.
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The Church that Jesus established !

Acts 8:30, So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?”
31 And he said, “How can I, unless some one guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

God Bless
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Richard_Kastner said:
You seem to think that this verse says something other than “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” Here’s the whole chapter

The only thing that I am concerned with on this thread is the bible. What other body of work do you consider inspired?
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The early church viewed many other non-canonical writings (Clement)as inspired as well as councils and even enscriptions on graves. Inspiration was probably not the primary criteria the church used to recognize the canonical NT writings but only one of the criteria. Again this points to the fluidity of the process and importance of viewing the oral and written traditions of the Catholic Church as complimentary never intended to be separated. This would of been completely foreign to the early chuch that all one needs is the Bible apart from his Church. If you look at the Greek word for inspired that was used in this verse and see where else it is used in the patristic litrerature by the early church you soon discover the Church’s view of inspiration was much broader than being limited to the NT writings alone.
 
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