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Some Catholic bloggers are calling out other Catholics on their actions (or should I say faith)
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shockerfan
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Should we call out other Catholics? For example, when a Catholic politician endorses abortion, I think we should call them out. I also think there are others that we should call out: Catholics who belong to groups whose mission is contraditory to Catholic teaching (like Catholic groups that support choice, or the ordination of women, or to change the church teaching on homosexuality, etc).
I went to a Catholic Ministry conference last weekend and went by a Pro-Life table that had a some bumper stickers. One said “You can’t be Catholic and be Pro-Choice”, the other said “Pro-Choice Christians - Giving Christ a bad name since 1973”. Too "in-your face? Or a well deserved dose of truth?
I went to a Catholic Ministry conference last weekend and went by a Pro-Life table that had a some bumper stickers. One said “You can’t be Catholic and be Pro-Choice”, the other said “Pro-Choice Christians - Giving Christ a bad name since 1973”. Too "in-your face? Or a well deserved dose of truth?
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lizaanne
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Why is it so taboo and horrible to expect Catholics to actually ACT and BE Catholic!!!
I see nothing wrong with those stickers - or with calling out those who are teaching heresy and leading people to live in a state of sin by not properly educating them in the ACCURATE teachings of the Church. Or supporting organizations that promote death. Sorry - I don’t see a problem with this. Why keep the evil in the dark where it can hurt more people that way? That makes to sense whatsoever.
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CMatt25
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Yes I know. One must only go to our traditional forum to find all sorts of things about how we should take COTT and not CITH though CITH is allowed. And how Latin is better than the vernacular even though the vernacular makes more sense in being able to understand for many people. And how only such and such of music praises Him and another type does not. Even though He is present regardless of whether it is traditional choir, acoustic guitar, or a “teen Mass” And so on and so on.As one of the posters that answered your question, I would point out that you are a little to narrow in your search for a driving force behind the bloggers. Indeed, abortion is the biggest political issue, along with other non-negotiables, the bloggers are concerned with liturgy, as well. As Pope Benedict XVI and our Bishops continue to rid the Church of some of the “spirit of Vatican II” nonsense, the bloggers are there for support.
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GratefulDad
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What Liza said.:clapping:
Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen – “Who is going to save our Church? Not our Bishops, not our Priests and Religious. It is up to you, the people. You have the minds, the eyes, the ears to save the Church. Your mission is to see that your Priests act like Priests, your Bishops like Bishops and your Religious act like Religious.”
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rlg94086
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Yes, thankfully those things are being sorted out by the Vatican and some of our bishops. It isn’t fast enough for some, but at least it is being addressed.Yes I know. One must only go to our traditional forum to find all sorts of things about how we should take COTT and not CITH though CITH is allowed. And how Latin is better than the vernacular even though the vernacular makes more sense in being able to understand for many people. And how only such and such of music praises Him and another type does not. Even though He is present regardless of whether it is traditional choir, acoustic guitar, or a “teen Mass” And so on and so on.
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CMatt25
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Np. Peace.
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CMatt25
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Well for sure the one about you can’t be Catholic and be pro choice was just obviously a misprint as it was not based on the Church definition of who is a Catholic. So I hope you didn’t put that one on your bumper!
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SunshineZA
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It is difficult to say, in 2010, whether Catholics upholding the teachings of the Church are considered a ‘fringe group’ - I sure am thankful that there are some conservative Catholics keeping an eye out and broadcasting any diversion from the teachings of the Church which could eventually lead to a form of New Age Catholicism that might negatively influence public Catholic figures in the Church now, and younger Christian generations in the future leading to a Church based purely on social consciousness - by which time conservative Catholics would certainly be considered a fringe group. Regards, S
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pnewton
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Voris himself has a Catholic CIA and a Catholic Tea Party, according to the article. I was just adding to his list of names in the same spirit.
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rlg94086
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You’re correct. It should read, “you can’t be a faithful (or devout) Catholic and be pro-choice.”. It is a minor correction, since most people know what is meant, but I wouldn’t want to deny a Catholic’s baptism.Well for sure the one about you can’t be Catholic and be pro choice was just obviously a misprint based on the Church definiton of who is a Catholic. So I hope you didn’t put that one on your bumper!
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Mike5575
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Reminds me of my job. I have a lot of subordinates working for me and I know with my experience if they start to like you too much you know you are doing something wrong.I was listing to ETWN on Sirius radio a couple of days ago. Mother Angelica was talking about her decision to wear the habit and that it makes some people angry. She said “As a Christian you should be making some people angry! If you are not making people angry, I question your Christianity!”
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lizaanne
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Mr. Voris produces a show called CIA - Catholic Investigative Agency. It is a show that exposes corruption in the Church and those who seek to deliberately defeat the Church from inside and out. You have a problem with someone pointing out evil and corruption aimed at destroying the Bride of Christ???
So you believe everything you read in the news now? That is a very dangerous way to live. I happen to know Mr. Voris personally, my husband works for him, and I do as well when I can. I’m not even sure what a “Catholic Tea Party” IS! But I can assure you that he does not have one of these — whatever they are.
Besides, Mike hates tea, and coffee. He prefers Dr. Pepper actually.Be very careful before you paint others with broad brushes, especially when you don’t even know the person you are painting.
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estesbob
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One wonders how well semantics arguments are going to work on Judgment Day
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rlg94086
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Indeed. “Yes, Jesus, I know I stood by and supported women having the legal choice to kill their own babies, but, for the record, I was baptized and am, therefore, Catholic.”One wonders how well semantics arguments are going to work on Judgment Day
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pnewton
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Gee whiz. Cool your jets, or did your “?” key get stuck? Yes, sometimes I have a problem with that. It is why I do not read Jack Chick tracts. It is why I do not care for liturgical police. If Mr. Voris wants to blog and put on his little internet videos, that is his business. However, it is not part of the Catholic Church. It is an independent Catholic doing whatever he does. Personally, I will side with King David want no part of thrusting the spear into the heart of the church, regardless of the reason, and will touch not the Lord’s annointed.Mr. Voris produces a show called CIA - Catholic Investigative Agency. It is a show that exposes corruption in the Church and those who seek to deliberately defeat the Church from inside and out. You have a problem with someone pointing out evil and corruption aimed at destroying the Bride of Christ???
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saveusfromhell
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when JESUS met the women on the way to calvery he saidIndeed. “Yes, Jesus, I know I stood by and supported women having the legal choice to kill their own babies, but, for the record, I was baptized and am, therefore, Catholic.”
“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep instead for yourselves and for your children, for indeed, the days are coming when people will say, ‘Blessed are the barren, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed.’ At that time, people will say to the mountains, ‘Fall upon us!’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us!’ for if these things are done when the wood is green what will happen when it is dry?”
contraception barren wombs, abortion breast that never suckled ?
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markomalley
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One thing for us all to keep in mind when declaring that somebody is or is not a Catholic is what the Church teaches about the subject.
And what the Church teaches is that all baptized Catholics are members of the Church. When a person is baptized he/she receives an indellible change in character that permanently marks him/her as a Christian. As such, regardless of whether he/she is subjectively in communion with the Church or not, that person is in the Church. No matter how much various atheist groups try to practice otherwise, there is no such thing as “un-baptism.”
Bottom line is that a person can excommunicate themselves (latae sententiae) or can be excommunicated (ferendae senteniae), but they are still Catholic. They can even formally renounce their membership in the Church…they are still, metaphysically at least, Catholic.
And what the Church teaches is that all baptized Catholics are members of the Church. When a person is baptized he/she receives an indellible change in character that permanently marks him/her as a Christian. As such, regardless of whether he/she is subjectively in communion with the Church or not, that person is in the Church. No matter how much various atheist groups try to practice otherwise, there is no such thing as “un-baptism.”
Bottom line is that a person can excommunicate themselves (latae sententiae) or can be excommunicated (ferendae senteniae), but they are still Catholic. They can even formally renounce their membership in the Church…they are still, metaphysically at least, Catholic.
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rlg94086
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Correct…no argument here. It is extremely important to heterodox Catholics that everyone know that they are Catholics, while they are openly defying and/or defaming the Church. It makes them feel that they are better off than the Protestants.
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estesbob
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Correct…no argument here. It is extremely important to heterodox Catholics that everyone know that they are Catholics, while they are openly defying and/or defaming the Church. It makes them feel that they are better off than the Protestants.
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