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nydas
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So why should we respect Mr. Wills opinion and not Ms. Ephrons?
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Robert_Bay
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estesbob
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Can the daily Kos link be far behind?
All the links you post basically say the same thing-“since we disagree with Bush’s policies its OK to be rude to him.” More evidence of how the Democrat party is in for big trouble if they cant distance themselves from the incoherent rants of the angry left.
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latin_rite
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I think Bush was being very “jerkish” (I know there is a better word to describe how Bush reacted). I think Webbs reply would have been just about like every other parents reply. I think Bush reaction shows that he is a “man” who Doesn’t have any family members who are or will ever face such dangers. he is out of touch with such people. It’s time his ignorant war mongering “behind” was kicked to the curb. nothing worse than a “man” who is so gung ho for war yet is too much of a coward to send his children. Bush is a coward, the xtian right (his masters) are cowards. I’m just glad his time is almost up, and all those xtian right looneys
are back out in the cold where they belong.
are back out in the cold where they belong.
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Ani_Ibi
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Is this charitable?
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latin_rite
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The truth doesn’t have to be charitable.
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nydas
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From the looks of it, Webbs son has a recent brush with danger, and Bush was specifically briefed on this.
thinkprogress.org/2006/12/05/bush-webb-son/
thinkprogress.org/2006/12/05/bush-webb-son/
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rpp
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So what. The problem was Webb’s reaction. Couldn’t he have said something like, “He had a close call, I would sure like to get him home soon.”
Not that it should matter. Why should Webb’s son be treated any differently than any other soldier who volunteered., particularly those who volunteered after Sept. 11, 2001
I am so sick of political correctness. It makes me want throw up. Webb tried to pick a fight because he is a Bush hater, not merely a political adversary. Then he continually exaggerates the problem with the gleeful cooperation of anti-patriotic people.
These Bush haters should grow up and drop this stupid issue. But then that is the problem with people who base their sentimentalities on hate, they refuse to grow up.
Not that it should matter. Why should Webb’s son be treated any differently than any other soldier who volunteered., particularly those who volunteered after Sept. 11, 2001
I am so sick of political correctness. It makes me want throw up. Webb tried to pick a fight because he is a Bush hater, not merely a political adversary. Then he continually exaggerates the problem with the gleeful cooperation of anti-patriotic people.
These Bush haters should grow up and drop this stupid issue. But then that is the problem with people who base their sentimentalities on hate, they refuse to grow up.
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estesbob
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So? How does it change anything? And given the briefing he was given with it not have been insensitive not to ask how his son was?
There is no doubt that Bush had said nothing to Webb the Left would be screaming about his insensitivity for not checking on Webbs son having been briefed that he had been in harm’s way. I suspect that many of the people in Virginia who got suckered into voting for this rude and arrogant man are having buyer’s remorse. Not even in office yet and he is already using his son to try and score cheap political points, Has Webb no shame?
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Writer
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I understand the emotion that would lead someone to say silly things like the earlier post, but the suggestion is a bad one on many levels. If a close relative of the president were in in a military zone, they would be a prime target for kidnapping by the terrorists. This would, in effect, place the entire unit in greater danger. If the president’s relative were taken hostage, it would then put him (ad the country) in a dangerous scenario where personal feelings might influence national policies. So, can we put this silly argument to bed once and for all…
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estesbob
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The argument is only put to bed when a Democrat is in office.
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nydas
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Bush knew Webbs son had recently had a close brush with death. So to respond with “thats not what i asked” when Webb said he wanted him home is incredibly insensitive.
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bekalc
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In some ways I have to side with Webb on this issue. For those who don’t know Webb, Webb was a former Republican, and I believe even served under some Republican administrations.
Webb felt so strongly about the War in Iraq that he left the Republican party over the issue… This isn’t someone who is just against the war because its popular, this is someone whose deeply against the war. Also, Webb has served his country too and was even a wounded vetern, so he better than most people (and certainly better than the President) knows what it means to be in combat.
From the articles it appears that Webb personally avoided President Bush, and Bush was told to leave Webb alone… Webb’s response I want my son home, I think is a quite reasonable response considering that Webb disagrees with the war… All the President had to do was respond, we all do and leave it at that… It was very wrong for President Bush to seek someone out who was avoiding him.
How did Bush expect Webb to react frankly? He knows that Webb is against this war, Webb whole compaign was on getting out of the war… He also should know that Webb has always refused to answer any private questions about his son, only saying that’s between my son and me because Webb didn’t want one soldier to garner more attention than the others…
Webb clearly blames Bush for this war, and feels that because of Bush his son is in harms way, and yet he’s suppose to smile and say, yes My son’s doing just fine (in the middle of a war zone with no end in sight.) Honestly, if the President asked me “how’s your brother.” and (my brother may end up in the war) I might say the same thing. I want my brother home. For the President than to yell at Webb is ridiculous especially since it was quite clear that Webb specifically avoided the Pres.
Webb felt so strongly about the War in Iraq that he left the Republican party over the issue… This isn’t someone who is just against the war because its popular, this is someone whose deeply against the war. Also, Webb has served his country too and was even a wounded vetern, so he better than most people (and certainly better than the President) knows what it means to be in combat.
From the articles it appears that Webb personally avoided President Bush, and Bush was told to leave Webb alone… Webb’s response I want my son home, I think is a quite reasonable response considering that Webb disagrees with the war… All the President had to do was respond, we all do and leave it at that… It was very wrong for President Bush to seek someone out who was avoiding him.
How did Bush expect Webb to react frankly? He knows that Webb is against this war, Webb whole compaign was on getting out of the war… He also should know that Webb has always refused to answer any private questions about his son, only saying that’s between my son and me because Webb didn’t want one soldier to garner more attention than the others…
Webb clearly blames Bush for this war, and feels that because of Bush his son is in harms way, and yet he’s suppose to smile and say, yes My son’s doing just fine (in the middle of a war zone with no end in sight.) Honestly, if the President asked me “how’s your brother.” and (my brother may end up in the war) I might say the same thing. I want my brother home. For the President than to yell at Webb is ridiculous especially since it was quite clear that Webb specifically avoided the Pres.
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Ani_Ibi
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This is a boundary issue. Your brother has free will. He can make his own decisions and does not require your permission to make them.
You, on the other hand, are free to feel what you choose about the decisions of your brother. But it is not morally licit for you to force your brother to act according to what you alone want.
There is a distinction to be made between desire and duty. Having no fetters on what a person wants puts that person outside society.
As soon as a person agrees to garner the rights and privileges afforded by a society then he also agrees to acquit his duties to that same society.
There is no free ride.
As for ‘telling the President what to do’: how did that happen? What is the chain of command in the US?
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estesbob
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We seem to see a new imporved rationalization of Webbs Rude and arroogant behavior almost on a daily basis. its like everyday or so they come up with another reason why it was OK for him to be rude and hoping against hope that this time it will stick.
He was rude, he knows he was rude, his party knows he was rude and he son knows he was rude. he should just apologize and get on with it. He wont. of course, becuase in addtion to being rude he is also arrogant-and the arrogant NEVER apologize. I feel sorry for his son. I would hate to have had my father ever use me in the way Webb used him.
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