Soviet Union Rewind: Why Are We Praising Communism Again?

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I was talking about communism, not socialism, as was the post I was responding to.

Do you equate socialism to communism? Marx and Lenin certainly did not.
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To me, the government is the poor’s support of last resort. We should as a society figure out a way to meet the various needs of the poor and we should allow people to attain capital that also allows them to be outrageously generous and kind. The government should heavily subsidize charities that have very low operating cost overhead (i.e. a charity that spends less than 30% on salary operating costs).

The government should not heavily subsidize all 501c3 non-profit organizations - it should only subsidize those that minimize overhead and salary costs to provide services. This way donors maximize the value towards the cause they’re trying to achieve, such as reducing hunger.
 
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No it’s not, go back and read my first post. I have stated all communist countries since then. You turned it into something else, not I.
 
I think the notion that Communism is somehow altruistic is to ignore the great many millions of innocent people systematically killed under Communism.
 
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JoeFreedom said:
And Bloombrerg outlawed sodas over 32oz because Big Nanny knows best for you and yours. Ahhhhhh big government…let’s put them in charge of everyone’s healthcare…that won’t end up badly.
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It was sodas over 16 oz., not 32 oz.

And the current plastic-bottle six-packs of soda that generally sell for around $2.00 (at least in Northern Illinois)–around 35 cents per bottle (cheap! cheaper than bottled water, which is around $2.00 each!) contain bottles that have…wait for it…16.9 ounces!!!
0.9 ounces over the “legal limit” per Bloomberg! 😱

And the current popular single plastic bottles of soda that generally sell for around $2.00/bottle (at least in Northern Illinois) have…wait…20 oz!

4 oz. over the legal limit per Bloomberg!

In other words, for those of us for whom soda is the Drink of Choice, Mayor Bloomberg took our drink away from us and replaced it with a kiddie soda of around 6 - 12 oz (a can has 12 oz), and made it illegal in NYC to drink what is normal (and quite cheap) in the other states/cities in the U.S.!

I frankly do not believe in any kind of legalized food restrictions unless there is a known lethal toxin in the food. SUGAR and artificial sweeteners are not lethal toxins. Trying to legalize “healthy eating” will never work because every human is different.
 
The New York law targeted portions at restaurants. Refills were still permitted.

“Under Bloomberg’s ban, “sugary beverages” larger than 16 ounces could not be sold at food-service establishments in New York City. At restaurants with self-service soda fountains, cups larger than 16 ounces could not be provided. Only outlets that get health-department grades were included, so supermarkets, vending machine operators and convenience stores (including 7-Eleven and its Big Gulps) didn’t have to worry about the ban”

Soda was still available. There weren’t any soda speakeasies or trafficking of sodas from across state lines or anything like that.

Also it wasn’t illegal to drink. It was illegal to sell in a restaurant. People were free to drink as much as they liked. They could fill a kiddie pool with Pepsi and drink that if they wanted.
 
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How ironic that the Democratic Party, for most of the Cold War, fought hard against Communism, only to embrace it after the fall of the Iron Curtain and the collapse of the Soviet Union, and been proved once and for all an unmitigated failure.
 
During his campaign in an interview with Chris Matthews, he said perhaps women should have to go to illegal places.

MATTHEWS: Well, no, I’m asking you because you say you want to ban it. What’s that mean?

TRUMP: I would – I am against – I am pro-life, yes.

MATTHEWS: What is ban – how do you ban abortion? How do you actually do it?

TRUMP: Well, you know, you go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places

Suggesting women should go to illegal places is not prolife.
 
The ban was overturned, and really the only group suffering was possibly the manufactures of large disposable cups.
 
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During his campaign in an interview with Chris Matthews, he said perhaps women should have to go to illegal places.

MATTHEWS: Well, no, I’m asking you because you say you want to ban it. What’s that mean?

TRUMP: I would – I am against – I am pro-life, yes.

MATTHEWS: What is ban – how do you ban abortion? How do you actually do it?

TRUMP: Well, you know, you go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places

Suggesting women should go to illegal places is not prolife.
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I think his record of pro-life accomplishments proves that he has learned a bit since his campaign.

Trump is definitely not the man with the “pat answers” memorized backstage under the stern tutoring of a campaign strategist.

And if you think about it, he’s right. If abortion were ever made illegal again in the U.S. (Godspeed to that!), women will still find a way to have abortions illegally. Laws do not stop crime, they simply impose a penalty when someone breaks them. And laws probably stop a lot of people who cite “the law” as the sole reason they don’t do something wrong like driving under the influence.
 
I keep hearing about these prolife accomplishments.

I’m not sure other than conservative judges (who might never have any abortion decisions or cases or record) what?

It’s as legal today as it was after the decision of Roe. Roe permitted abortion in all three trimesters.

What I see is the shrinkage of the Republican Party, and the scandal of associating the prolife movement with Trumpism.

The abandonment of the Kurds is not prolife.

The separation policy of children from their parents is not prolife.
 
Well said.

It always seems to me, those who lived through socialism and communism are the ones who warn against it the most. Those who never lived through it think it’s a utopia. Those like me who didn’t live through it, but can look back at history and think for themselves see the horror of socialism/communism
 
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I keep hearing about these prolife accomplishments.

I’m not sure other than conservative judges (who might never have any abortion decisions or cases or record) what?

It’s as legal today as it was after the decision of Roe. Roe permitted abortion in all three trimesters.

What I see is the shrinkage of the Republican Party, and the scandal of associating the prolife movement with Trumpism.

The abandonment of the Kurds is not prolife.

The separation policy of children from their parents is not prolife.
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You can google “Trump’s Pro-Life Accomplishments” and find dozens of trust-worthy pro-life organizations and PACs posting a list. Here’s one:


The President has no authority to make abortion illegal in the United States.

Roe vs. Wade has nothing to do with making abortion legal or illegal. It has to do with the rights of the individual States in the Union to make their own laws regarding abortion.

The President cannot repeal Roe vs. Wade. Only the Supreme Court can do that. And once it’s repealed (if it is ever repealed), each State will have a fight on their hands regarding abortion. Many states will limit or disallow abortion because of the population of people who live in those states (Christian or other religions that teach that abortion is a sin). And many states, including mine, will create “Abortion Centers” and reach out to all women urging them to “Come to OUR STATE to practice your right to your own body!)” (In other words, States like Illinois will take treat abortion as a money-making product, and Illinois could sure use a money-making product right now!).

Do not underestimate the importance of Pres. Trump’s appointments of conservative-leaning Supreme Court justices. My husband and I had dinner with his lawyer/brother last night, and he was describing the immensity of the importance of re-electing Pres. Trump (or a Republican who is similarly-inclined) so that we can insure a conservative Supreme Court for the next 20-30 years at least. It’s far bigger than just the abortion issue.

I agree with you that there are other humanitarian issues besides abortion. I don’t think it is a good idea to group all of these issues under the label “pro-life”, but I can see your point. However, these issues are not “pro-abortion.” That’s what we need to start saying, IMO–a candidate is pro-abortion or anti-abortion.

Pres. Trump is anti-abortion. THAT is the Catholic teaching and it has been reinforced in recent days that the anti-abortion issue “trumps” all the other issues, like it or not.

Do you honestly, really think that people (mainly Democrats, but also Libertarians, Republicans, Independents, etc.) who cannot admit, even with all the scientific and medical evidence/proof, that an unborn fetus is a human being deserving of life --do you honestly think that people who deny this science are even capable of discerning other humanitarian issues correctly?!!

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I don’t. I think they have abandoned common sense to justify their support of a great evil. I don’t trust ANYTHING they say or do because of this. They are unreliable and willing to sell their souls and ours, too, to the devil to win and have their way.

IMO, most Democrats are blind fools, the ones spoken of by Jesus in Matthew’s Gospel, Chapter 23, who, in their passion for legalism, totally miss the True Good. They call Pres. Trump various names because he “abandoned the Kurds,” but meanwhile, they brag about their own support of “a woman’s right to choose regarding her own body,” and in the process, allow an innocent child to be snuffed out LEGALLY! And as if that isn’t evil enough, they call those of us who denounce their debauched opinions, “Deplorables, ignorant, anti-women, pro-war, etc…”

We have no choice at the moment in the U.S. other than Pres. Trump. We can look back into the Old Testament at the many debauched men that God chose to use to accomplish his will. A good example is Samson, but there are dozens of others, deeply-flawed and sinful people who professed trust in God and were dedicated to Him, but who failed to be moral in their personal lives–and God used them mightily. I believe that Pres. Trump is such a man–deeply-flawed morally, but willing to allow God to use him to re-claim the U.S. for righteousness regarding the heinous sin of abortion.
 
Lets stop with the bogus definitions here. Communism and Democratic Socialism are two different things.

The very first word, “Democratic,” is the key.

Also, even if Sanders were to win the election and become president, he still has to work with Congress to get anything done.

He’s not going to turn the United States into a Communistic Nation, even though his opponents keep try to sell that message.
 
They were either 1) part of the communist government apparatus and complicit, 2) blind to what was occurring around them, or 3) didn’t care about the autricities.

I have a very good friend who lives the both the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. He says one cannot describe how awful it was.

Another friend grew up in Prague in the 70s and early 80s. He has nothing good at all to say about Communists, hate them with a passion.
 
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Perhaps, and I have no problem with that aspect of their lives. People have to survive. But if they did not think what was happening was totally horrific, they fall into one of my above categories.
 
I had an old friend who once commented on how bad Castro was. He admitted bad. But then said, I don’t recall anyone saying how good Batista was. Nobody really missed him.
 
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Roe vs. Wade has nothing to do with making abortion legal or illegal. It has to do with the rights of the individual States in the Union to make their own laws regarding abortion.
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Roe legalized abortion throughout all the trimesters. That’s what happened.
 
Why is it false? What other options are there?
 
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