Stars pay tribute to Pope John Paul II

[CARose]

(Consciously ignoring thread hijack…)

I think Pope JPII did many incredible things during his reign as Pope, things which I think the general population hasn’t begun to dig into. My thought is that if the “Stars” want to popularize him, it can only serve to bring out aspects of his truth and encourage people to learn more about him. Perhaps someone will pick-up and read his “Theology of the Body” due to the interest raised in the popular media.

Remember folks, God’s the author who’s truly in charge. He knows why he has written the story the way he has.

God Bless all,

CARose

 

[John_19_59]

Anyone who reads the encyclicals of John Paul II knows he was teaching Catholicism!

Er, I don’t think Britney or 99.9999% of the world got around to those. And they constitute a very small part of the mass of stuff he put out in 25 years.

I haven’t hijacked the thread by the way. All my points are valid within the context of the thread.

 

[John_19_59]

it can only serve to bring out aspects of his truth and encourage people to learn more about him.

Is that his or His?

The truth is Jesus Christ, not John Paul II.

What we have is a personality cult developing.

You have to face uo to the fact that historically Popes can be wrong and John Paul is no exception.

Assisi was a very big mistake. A blasphemy even. But you can see why “the world” liked it.

Remember the FIRST commandment!

 

[Sarah_Jane]

“It is necessary to awaken again in believers a full relationship with Christ, mankind’s only Savior. Only from a personal relationship with Jesus can an effective evangelization develop.” (John Paul II)

 

[CARose]

The only Truth is His truth and JPII knew this in all he said and did. I look to the day when the Church infallibly confirms his status as a saint.

CARose

 

[John_19_59]

The only Truth is His truth and JPII knew this in all he said and did.

Not true!

It is not His truth that Muslims worship the same God as us.

Muslims worship a god who said Jesus is not God - its a fundemental Muslim belief.

Where is His truth in the encouragement at Assisi for others to break the first commandment?

 

[Franze]

John_19_59:

Is that his or His?

The truth is Jesus Christ, not John Paul II.

What we have is a personality cult developing.

You have to face uo to the fact that historically Popes can be wrong and John Paul is no exception.

Assisi was a very big mistake. A blasphemy even. But you can see why “the world” liked it.

Remember the FIRST commandment!

John 19-59, quietness please, Assisi was a mistake, in my opinion, too in Ratzinger´s opinion.
None is saying that we believe in John Paul II, we believe in Christ and Christ wanted that Peter and his succesors will be the Pope. And John Paul II was the last election of the Holy Spirit.

John Paul II had mistakes, like all people, but he wanted the best for the church and this is the most important, he didn´t goes down the moral level, he signed “dominus jesus” a great encyclical. He said many times that we have to evangelize, for example in Asia´s archbishops.

Don´t be afraid.

 

[Therese_Martin]

General reminder:

Please get the discussion back to the original topic of the opinion of high-profile individuals of John Paul II. Personal opinions of John Paul II’s orthodoxy do not belong in this thread. Thanks!

 

[romano]

John_19_59:

And Popes John XXIII, Paul VI, John Paul II have been mistaken. They have each promoted novelty as orthentic Catholic teaching. Something they are not entitled to do.

Its like the Arian crisis.

It’s worse than that.

 

[romano]

John_19_59:

I haven’t hijacked the thread if you even care to read what I have said.

The reason John Paul II is so surprisingly popular amongst some surprising people is that he actually didn’t teach Catholicism. John Paul’s main theme throughout his pontificate was human dignity, liberty, equality and fraternity (look it up), he used those words all the time. Sometimes he could give whole speechs and not mention Jesus once (especially to Muslims).This is what is so appealing to “the world”. Forget all that Jesus Christ stuff (shame about that), he was a man of peace and love building a “civilisation of love”.

He taught something else whose seeds can be found in the second Vatican Council. He had a utopian vision of some kind of human brotherhood where all men are united in a pan-religious-all-religions-are-worthy kind of way. A very masonic ideal if ever there was one.

He promoted people like Walter Kasper to high positions in the Church - now there is a radical no-need-for-conversions person if ever there was one.

Now you can call me “rad trad” and anything else you like, it doesn’t make any difference.

I am a person who can see the difference in what the Church safely taught for over a thousand years before 1965 and what it has taught since.

The only crime I am guilty of is following the tradtions of the fathers. (a paraphrase of St Basil during the Arian crisis).

So I can see perfectly well why Britney finds him so appealing - what he taught was “safe” from a purely human point of view. Oh… and he had a kind face.

This thread has NOT been hijacked - much as you would like to dismiss me so easily.

So if I’m a radical how come you all believe Muslims worship the same God as us?

Now that IS a radical teaching!

Hi John:

The folks upset by what you are saying are just plain out of touch with the world around them. They appear to know nothing of the New World Order feel-good pantheistic pseudo-religion which is being actively and energetically promoted by some very important people. And if Pop Stars (who do not get where they are on the basis of talent) are linking themselves with a Pope, I’d say that’s a very bad sign indeed.

 

[romano]

John_19_59:

Er, I don’t think Britney or 99.9999% of the world got around to those. And they constitute a very small part of the mass of stuff he put out in 25 years.

I haven’t hijacked the thread by the way. All my points are valid within the context of the thread.

Yup. That’s right. Actions speak louder than words. And how many people actually read – or even can read - - today? Encyclicals are hardly the average pop fan’s favorite fare.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

romano:

Hi John:

The folks upset by what you are saying are just plain out of touch with the world around them. They appear to know nothing of the New World Order feel-good pantheistic pseudo-religion which is being actively and energetically promoted by some very important people. And if Pop Stars (who do not get where they are on the basis of talent) are linking themselves with a Pope, I’d say that’s a very bad sign indeed.

Of course we’re aware of it. We just don’t think it has a single, solitary thing to do with John Paul II. Yes, he spoke of human dignity all the time, but it was intrinsically linked with humanity’s creation by God and the price paid by Christ upon Calvary for that humanity. That’s what gave us the dignity he spoke of. He did not teach, as Supreme Pontiff, any kind of universalism or indifferentism. To say he did is to admit not studying his writings. He was respectful of other religions, but “Domine Jesus” made his teaching as POPE quite clear, John1959’s tiresome bleating of “Islam” and “Assisi” notwithstanding (all he seems able to talk about). I’ll see your Kasper’s promotion and raise you the fact that he would not let Ratzinger retire, though asked by the Prefect several times.

He taught something else whose seeds can be found in the second Vatican Council. He had a utopian vision of some kind of human brotherhood where all men are united in a pan-religious-all-religions-are-worthy kind of way. A very masonic ideal if ever there was one.

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This is a simplistic, naive take on the Pope’s teachings, by someone who is displeased that the Holy Spirit chose John XXIII, Paul VI, and John Paul II rather than resurrecting Pius XII or Saint Pius X or Saint Pius V. Well, this isn’t Tibetan Buddhism, we don’t get the same guy every time. And he throws the word “mason” in there just as a kind of “lemon twist.” Shades of more conspiracy! You called John Paull II safe? Please! As safe as the lion Aslan. Where have you been for 26 years? He wasn’t afraid to take on anyone. We had a lion heart for a pope.

 

[romano]

JKirkLVNV:

Of course we’re aware of it. We just don’t think it has a single, solitary thing to do with John Paul II.

Well, with all due respect, what you either “think” or “don’t think” is of course your own affair. But I “think” John has a good argument, and at least he isn’t indulging in name-calling.

Don’t you find the linking of sleazy commerce with a Pope just a teeny weeny bit suspect? What do you think those ‘stars’ are paid for if it isn’t to help narcotize and paganize the masses?

 

[JKirkLVNV]

romano:

Well, with all due respect, what you either “think” or “don’t think” is of course your own affair. But I “think” John has a good argument, and at least he isn’t indulging in name-calling.

Don’t you find the linking of sleazy commerce with a Pope just a teeny weeny bit suspect? What do you think those ‘stars’ are paid for if it isn’t to help narcotize and paganize the masses?

Sorry if you think I’m name calling. I’m defending someone I love.

I highlighted your last paragraph because I find it a little incredible in light of the thread of the argument. Of course it’s suspect! They’ve gotten it wrong, they’ll continue to get it wrong. That has nothing, however, to do with the Pope. It doesn’t touch him, it can’t because A) he’s dead and B) even liberal Catholics are going to draw a blank at the idea of Britney Spears, Nsync, and Steven Tyler taking breath to mention the man’s name. It would be like my seven month old godson attempting to discuss Nihilism in Art or the Beat Poets…only fascinating insofar as it would be weird.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

romano:

Well, with all due respect, what you either “think” or “don’t think” is of course your own affair. But I “think” John has a good argument, and at least he isn’t indulging in name-calling.

Don’t you find the linking of sleazy commerce with a Pope just a teeny weeny bit suspect? What do you think those ‘stars’ are paid for if it isn’t to help narcotize and paganize the masses?

You know maybe they are trying to do something because 2 billion people watched his funeral,and 4 million went to Rome and all the major nwews stations covered it constantly for a week.**But,let me tell you what I think:nope: I think that even if non of these “stars” even relise what he taught they may look into it and find out:nope: Maybe,Stephen Tyler will realise that love has nothing to do with the elevators:nope: Perhaps they will realise that all the pomp in Hollywood could not have done what a Polish Priest did with Gods grace and the world reaction to his death:nope: Furthermore,how many people who are fans will get curious and start reading about the Pope and reading his encyclicals **

 

[tdnewts]

**,how many people who are fans will get curious and start reading about the Pope and reading his encyclicals **

Thanks, Lisa. I was in the middle of posting something similar when I saw your note. I don’t hold great hopes about this, but I would say not to limit God. You never know what it could lead someone to pick up and read. I started reading C.S. Lewis because a metal band named their first album after a book in his Space Trilogy.

 

[Anne_Carmel]

This is the original topic. Please stick to it.

JP2ImissU:

Britney Spears, Nsync and Aerosmith’s Steven Tyler are among a host of stars who have teamed up to pay tribute to the late Pope John Paul II.

The stars appear in Tribute to Pope John Paul II, a celebration of the pontiff’s thoughts on peace, love, harmony, prayers and poetry.

The celebrities - also including Faith Hill, Tim McGraw, Danny Glover, Jennifer Love Hewitt, James Earl Jones, and Brooke Shields - share the words that most inspired them in the video, which has been released by OnQ Digital.

breakingnews.iol.ie/entertainment/story.asp?j=143880682&p=y4388y388

 

[CARose]

tdnewts:

Thanks, Lisa. I was in the middle of posting something similar when I saw your note. I don’t hold great hopes about this, but I would say not to limit God. You never know what it could lead someone to pick up and read. I started reading C.S. Lewis because a metal band named their first album after a book in his Space Trilogy.

I agree Lisa and TD,

With as much coverage as his funeral got, even if they’re only interested in him initially because of how universally popular he obviously was (how else do you explain the intense media coverage and the numbers in attendance at his funeral), what starts them looking into what made him popular isn’t as important as the possibility that they might actually find out the Truth in the process. And that works for me!

I’ll just pray that the Holy Spirit find fertile ground to work with, cause you know if the door is open even the slightest bit to enlightenment, the light will shine on in!

God Bless,

CARose

 

[John_1959]

I haven’t name called anyone.

I always back up my point of view.

I understand my point of view is not popular - but its honest and its Catholic.

So why was I banned? (For the less observant I had to re-register)
Please - I expected better of a Catholic forum, you’re acting like the Mormons (instant ban for anyone who starts making good but unpopular points).

I stand by all the comments in this thread. They were in context. I was showing why John Paul II is so popular with “the world”.

 

[Dredgemate]

John_1959:

I haven’t name called anyone.

I always back up my point of view.

I understand my point of view is not popular - but its honest and its Catholic.

So why was I banned? (For the less observant I had to re-register)
Please - I expected better of a Catholic forum, you’re acting like the Mormons (instant ban for anyone who starts making good but unpopular points).

I stand by all the comments in this thread. They were in context. I was showing why John Paul II is so popular with “the world”.

You keep trying to hijack this thread!! find another, or better yet, start another. By the way- It’s not real smart to identify yourself as someone who’s been banned, you’ll just end up getting banned again.

now, back to the REAL topic of discussion:

Furthermore,how many people who are fans will get curious and start reading about the Pope and reading his encyclicals

Hmmmm, an interesting point, one I haven’t thought about. I’m currently working my way through his book “Love and Responsibility”, and I can honestly say it’s one of the most profound, thought provoking books I’ve ever read. It’s difficult to get through, though; very philosophically grounded. I tend to think that the ‘fans’ of Britney Spears, et al will not quite make it as far as this book, which is a shame because it deals with all of the utilitarian actions these people tend to exhibit