Staying free from feminist lies

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I’m constantly under the microscope with my rad-trad peers. 20 years of marriage and only 3 kids to show for it? The speculation begins. Heresy? Infertility? Charting to avoid? Monthly visits to Planned Parenthood?

No one’s overt about it, but I get weird comments sometimes. How my ovaries became the object of other peoples’ prurient fascination is beyond me.
 
I’m not sure that angel12 was trying to be dismissive; it’s just that a lot of people haven’t heard of it.

One contributing factor that doesn’t get enough attention is iatrogenic birth trauma. There’s no hard data on its occurrence. But not all women giving birth are treated humanely, and that can have a lasting impact.
 
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Unless it is physically impossible, we are to either get married and have children, stay single and chaste, or join religious life/priesthood. If you are a married Catholic IT IS IN YOUR VOWS to be open to children regardless of how you feel.
 
TheLittleLady said:
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I’m a Catholic woman
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For the record, I am a Catholic, a woman, and a feminist.
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What’s that supposed to mean in regards to what I said?
 
Your statement made it sound as if the two were oppositional, as if one had to choose between Catholicism and Feminism. Sorry if I misunderstood!
 
And does that mean that vow is to be broken?
 
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blackforest said:
I’m constantly under the microscope with my rad-trad peers. 20 years of marriage and only 3 kids to show for it? The speculation begins. Heresy? Infertility? Charting to avoid? Monthly visits to Planned Parenthood?

No one’s overt about it, but I get weird comments sometimes. How my ovaries became the object of other peoples’ prurient fascination is beyond me.
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I’m very sorry for that. It really is not their business. I’ve had people nose into our spacing and question if my youngest is mine or not because he looks different than my other children. Why anybody thinks that’s appropriate, I just don’t know.

I was more referring to the OP itself. I think these conversations can offer an opportunity to evangelize on the dignity of the human person, but we need to be cautious about speculating in a vacuum about our children. I think it can be dehumanizing to speak about potential children (and a potential spouse) as fulfilling our wants and needs, as if these people, made in the image of God, bare just playthings for us to use to pass the time.

I know these types of conversations are usually lightly meant, but marriage and children aren’t “just another lifestyle choice.” That we talk about it in those terms at all speaks to the dangers of relativism, IMO.
 
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No, but, one does not vow to be “open to children”.

Each marital act must be ordered toward procreation. As long as that standard is met, couples who have a good reason may morally use the natural stages of the wife’s cycle in order to avoid pregnancy.
 
I think we agree? Maybe just didn’t like how my response sounded.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Your statement made it sound as if the two were oppositional, as if one had to choose between Catholicism and Feminism. Sorry if I misunderstood!
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Well IMO, they are oppositional. When I hear the word “feminism,” I think of the liberal politics of feminism, which I think most people associate with the word as well. Which I’m against. Obviously I believe that women should be given equal rights and all that, but I figured that that went without saying. I mean, who in their right mind doesn’t believe women should be treated as equals? So why should there be a special sort of ideology for this called feminism? Are we really that confused on what constitutes basic laws of humanity?
 
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When I hear the word “feminism,” I think of the liberal politics of feminism, which I think most people associate with the word as well.
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More so here, but I’d suggest we resist the short hand description of one movement as being “liberal”, “conservative”, good, or bad. One could claim that “pro-life” people are ultra-conservative holy rollers, but I’d bet you’d disagree with that assessment.
 
“When I hear the word “feminism,” I think of the liberal politics of feminism, which I think most people associate with the word as well. Which I’m against. Obviously I believe that women should be given equal rights and all that, but I figured that that went without saying. I mean, who in their right mind doesn’t believe women should be treated as equals? So why should there be a special sort of ideology for this called feminism? Are we really that confused on what constitutes basic laws of humanity?”

I’m guessing you’re young. As recently as the 1970s, American women needed their husband’s permission to do things like open credit or get a mortgage. Sex discrimination wasn’t declared illegal until then – you could still restrict women from jobs. Women could be barred from housing and jury service. The list goes on.

Many women who are feminists worked to make sure those things happened. There were and still are plenty of people who don’t think women should be treated as equals. If you haven’t seen that, consider yourself fortunate. And thank a feminist.
 
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You just have to go to other parts of the world and women are being bought and sold like cattle. It’s not a one off occurrence, it is big business. So yes a lot of people, especially in the non-Western world think of women as less than human.

Can’t take it for granted that people, especially women will get treated with dignity around the world.
 
Good point. I edited my post to reflect that I was talking about American women. In many parts of the world, it’s horrendous.
 
Cecilia_Dympna said:
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I mean, who in their right mind doesn’t believe women should be treated as equals?
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People who are not feminists?
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But I just said that I’m a woman who doesn’t consider herself a feminist and yet of course I believe in equal rights for women. Are you saying that I don’t believe in equality for women?
 
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I’m guessing you’re young. As recently as the 1970s, American women needed their husband’s permission to do things like open credit or get a mortgage. Sex discrimination wasn’t declared illegal until then – you could still restrict women from jobs. Women could be barred from housing and jury service. The list goes on.

Many women who are feminists worked to make sure those things happened. There were and still are plenty of people who don’t think women should be treated as equals. If you haven’t seen that, consider yourself fortunate. And thank a feminist.
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I know basic history, and I knew all that. Obviously I’m grateful that women stood up and changed all that, but now most women who use the same label that they used back then of being a feminist have turned it into something completely different and wrong. That’s why I don’t like the term. Not because of what it meant then, but because of what it means now.
 
I answered JulianN’s post, and said there that the reason I oppose the word feminism is because of what it’s turned into being associated with now. If you had asked me back in the 70s if I were a feminist, I would’ve said yes. But because of what it’s turned into mostly mean now, that’s why I say I’m not.
 
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So you don’t think we need feminism now?
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We already have equal rights for women here in America, so I don’t see why we need to keep on pushing for it. In other countries, that’s not the case and absolutely they should push for equal rights and do what we did here in the 70’s. But there’s no need for women to be so militant about women’s rights here in the USA anymore given that we’ve already achieved equality.
 
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